Practical Redlining Techniques
08-01-2007, 02:37 PM
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Its's all relative. If you're burning out, gunning it up on someone's bumper, or something along those lines (ie - if you're doing something stupid) they can't really pull you over. Getting to the speed limit fast is not illegal.
08-01-2007, 02:56 PM
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I Love Hearin The Beep That The Car Makes At Redline....... Vroooooooommmmmm.... Beeeep....... Chirp(tires)....... VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM...........beeeppp... ....Chirp VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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08-01-2007, 04:27 PM
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Getting to the speed limit fast is not illegal.
It's called "Excessive Acceleration"
Luckily, our cars don't pack enough torque to meet the "excessive" requirement.
08-01-2007, 05:16 PM
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Redline???
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Redline refers to the maximum engine speed at which an internal combustion engine or traction motor and its components are designed to operate without causing damage to the components themselves or other parts of the engine. The redline of an engine depends on various factors such as stroke, mass of the components, displacement, composition of components, and balance of components.
Engines with short strokes can handle higher rpm because there is less force in reciprocating motion. Lighter components can increase the redline as well, since they have less inertia and decrease forces present in the engine.
Redlines vary anywhere from a few hundred revolutions per minute (rpm) (in very large engines such as those in trains and generators) to more than ten thousand rpm (in smaller, usually high-performance engines such as motorcycles and sports cars with pistonless rotary engines). Diesel engines normally have lower redlines than comparatively-sized gasoline engines, largely because of fuel-atomization limitations. Gasoline automobile engines typically will have a redline at around 5500 to 7000 rpm. The VTEC engine in the '00-'03 Honda S2000 had the highest production car redline at 9000 rpm. The Renesis rotary engine in the current Mazda RX-8 also has a redline of 9000 rpm, although such engines can run at much higher speeds, it is necessary to protect the ancillary components and gearbox. Motorcycle engines can have even higher redlines because of their comparatively lower reciprocating mass. For example, the Yamaha YZF-R6 has a redline of about 16200 rpm. Higher yet is the redline of a modern Formula One car. Regulations limit the maximum engine rotation to 19,000 rpm, but during the 2006 season, engine speeds reached over 20,000 rpm on the Cosworth engine.
The actual term redline comes from the red bars that are displayed on tachometers in cars starting at the rpm that denotes the redline for the specific engine. Operating an engine in this area is known as redlining. Straying into this area usually does not mean instant engine failure, but may increase the chances of damaging the engine.
Most modern cars have computer systems that prevent the engine from straying too far into the redline by cutting fuel flow to the fuel injectors/carburetor or by disabling the ignition system until the engine drops to a safer operating speed. Most Electronic Control Units (ECUs) of automatic transmission cars will upshift before the engine hits the redline even with maximum acceleration (an automatic transmission sport car's ECU will allow the engine to go nearer the redline or hit the redline before upshifting). If manual override is used, the engine will go past redline for a brief amount of time before the ECU will auto-upshift. When the car is in top gear and the engine is in redline (due to high speed), the ECU will cut fuel to the engine, forcing it to decelerate until the engine begins operating below the redline at which point it will release fuel back to the engine, allowing it to speed operate once again.
However, even with these electronic protection systems, a car is not prevented from redlining through inadvertent gear engagement. If a driver accidentally selects a lower gear when trying to shift up, the engine will be forced to rapidly rev-up to match the speed of the drivetrain. If this happens while the engine was at high rpms, it may dramatically exceed the redline. For example, if the operator is driving close to redline in 3rd gear and attempts to shift to 4th gear but unintentionally puts the car in 2nd by mistake, the transmission will be spinning much faster than the engine, and when the clutch is released the engine’s rpm will increase rapidly. This problem is not typically associated with automatic transmissions due to the lack of driver control over the shifting process. <!>
the above info about electronic shifting systems in false. most electronic systems will only shift in the engine will not violate its redline limits in its down shift. in the above example, if the driver is trying to shift in to 4th from 3rd but accidentally shifts down to 2nd an electonic system like tiptronic will not allow that to happen, but if the driver is in 3rd and is punching it, the system will allow them in enter the redline area and beyond depending on the system. The same claim can not be me about DSG cars or the manumatic tranmission available in the newer VW's/Audi's without the AWD system <!>
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline"
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Redline refers to the maximum engine speed at which an internal combustion engine or traction motor and its components are designed to operate without causing damage to the components themselves or other parts of the engine. The redline of an engine depends on various factors such as stroke, mass of the components, displacement, composition of components, and balance of components.
Engines with short strokes can handle higher rpm because there is less force in reciprocating motion. Lighter components can increase the redline as well, since they have less inertia and decrease forces present in the engine.
Redlines vary anywhere from a few hundred revolutions per minute (rpm) (in very large engines such as those in trains and generators) to more than ten thousand rpm (in smaller, usually high-performance engines such as motorcycles and sports cars with pistonless rotary engines). Diesel engines normally have lower redlines than comparatively-sized gasoline engines, largely because of fuel-atomization limitations. Gasoline automobile engines typically will have a redline at around 5500 to 7000 rpm. The VTEC engine in the '00-'03 Honda S2000 had the highest production car redline at 9000 rpm. The Renesis rotary engine in the current Mazda RX-8 also has a redline of 9000 rpm, although such engines can run at much higher speeds, it is necessary to protect the ancillary components and gearbox. Motorcycle engines can have even higher redlines because of their comparatively lower reciprocating mass. For example, the Yamaha YZF-R6 has a redline of about 16200 rpm. Higher yet is the redline of a modern Formula One car. Regulations limit the maximum engine rotation to 19,000 rpm, but during the 2006 season, engine speeds reached over 20,000 rpm on the Cosworth engine.
The actual term redline comes from the red bars that are displayed on tachometers in cars starting at the rpm that denotes the redline for the specific engine. Operating an engine in this area is known as redlining. Straying into this area usually does not mean instant engine failure, but may increase the chances of damaging the engine.
Most modern cars have computer systems that prevent the engine from straying too far into the redline by cutting fuel flow to the fuel injectors/carburetor or by disabling the ignition system until the engine drops to a safer operating speed. Most Electronic Control Units (ECUs) of automatic transmission cars will upshift before the engine hits the redline even with maximum acceleration (an automatic transmission sport car's ECU will allow the engine to go nearer the redline or hit the redline before upshifting). If manual override is used, the engine will go past redline for a brief amount of time before the ECU will auto-upshift. When the car is in top gear and the engine is in redline (due to high speed), the ECU will cut fuel to the engine, forcing it to decelerate until the engine begins operating below the redline at which point it will release fuel back to the engine, allowing it to speed operate once again.
However, even with these electronic protection systems, a car is not prevented from redlining through inadvertent gear engagement. If a driver accidentally selects a lower gear when trying to shift up, the engine will be forced to rapidly rev-up to match the speed of the drivetrain. If this happens while the engine was at high rpms, it may dramatically exceed the redline. For example, if the operator is driving close to redline in 3rd gear and attempts to shift to 4th gear but unintentionally puts the car in 2nd by mistake, the transmission will be spinning much faster than the engine, and when the clutch is released the engine’s rpm will increase rapidly. This problem is not typically associated with automatic transmissions due to the lack of driver control over the shifting process. <!>
the above info about electronic shifting systems in false. most electronic systems will only shift in the engine will not violate its redline limits in its down shift. in the above example, if the driver is trying to shift in to 4th from 3rd but accidentally shifts down to 2nd an electonic system like tiptronic will not allow that to happen, but if the driver is in 3rd and is punching it, the system will allow them in enter the redline area and beyond depending on the system. The same claim can not be me about DSG cars or the manumatic tranmission available in the newer VW's/Audi's without the AWD system <!>
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline"
08-02-2007, 10:53 AM
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Great post. Go Wiki and Puch!
I've asked this in another thread and there hasn't been a clear answer:
What is the actual fuel shut off/ rev limiter of the RX8? I've hit 9500 without either intruding.
There have been comments about the tach in the 8 not being accurate. Anyone care to share their thoughts?
And this is my fear with going so high (from above): "The Renesis rotary engine in the current Mazda RX-8 also has a redline of 9000 rpm, although such engines can run at much higher speeds, it is necessary to protect the ancillary components and gearbox."
So I'm ensuring less carbon is built-up in the engine but I'm overstressing everything else in the drivetrain?
Lastly, I hear conflicting stories about carbon build up. Many of the resident experts say you can't 'undo' or burn-off carbon that has already been built-up- even if you redline it. Rather, while the RPM's are UP you're keeping the carbon build-up DOWN. This suggests to me that if you don't always drive the car with the needle near the stripes, then you're not really doing any good. Because the simply redlining it a few times a day just means your keeping the carbon from building up for that few seconds per day. What good does that do?
Thoughts?
I've asked this in another thread and there hasn't been a clear answer:
What is the actual fuel shut off/ rev limiter of the RX8? I've hit 9500 without either intruding.
There have been comments about the tach in the 8 not being accurate. Anyone care to share their thoughts?
And this is my fear with going so high (from above): "The Renesis rotary engine in the current Mazda RX-8 also has a redline of 9000 rpm, although such engines can run at much higher speeds, it is necessary to protect the ancillary components and gearbox."
So I'm ensuring less carbon is built-up in the engine but I'm overstressing everything else in the drivetrain?
Lastly, I hear conflicting stories about carbon build up. Many of the resident experts say you can't 'undo' or burn-off carbon that has already been built-up- even if you redline it. Rather, while the RPM's are UP you're keeping the carbon build-up DOWN. This suggests to me that if you don't always drive the car with the needle near the stripes, then you're not really doing any good. Because the simply redlining it a few times a day just means your keeping the carbon from building up for that few seconds per day. What good does that do?
Thoughts?
08-02-2007, 11:01 AM
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Another "Wiki-Wonder" - cutting the fuel? That would just produce a nasty lean condition, and a blown engine. Cutting the fuel to a carburetor? You would blow up the engine long before the float-bowl was empty. What a steaming load.....
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08-02-2007, 12:22 PM
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Care to share what really happens? I suspect it's both an ignition and fuel cut in that order.
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