vosko

ito ran 15.2 also but with dsc half on. he had a better 60 FT of 2.2 though... i was shifting mad quick yo!

nk_Rx8

From what I have always read or been told, your trapspeed is an indication of WHP even if you don't get traction at launch. And that wheelspin at launch will usually result in even a higher trapspeed in the end. Is this correct? If so, then 91-92MPH trapspeeds seem kinda low to me and would tend to support that the car isn't making the HP even 'in the wild' in addition to on the dyno.

Ike

That's true, often more wheel spin will result in a lower ET but a higher trap, and there is a corespondence with trap speed and WHP.

Supercharger

Road&Track test data

_____________ 0 - 1/4 mile ____ Power ___ Weight ___ P/W

Acura RSX
Type-S ____ 15.2s @ 92.7mph __ 200 hp ___2750 lb ___0.073


http://www.clubrsx.com

A production RX-8’s quarter mile trap speed is similar to a RSX Type-S.

Both cars have high-rev NA engine and manual transmission.

They probably have the same power-to-weight ratio.


0.073 x 3000 = 219 hp (estimated power of RX-8)

Ike

just little something to play around with if you're bored


http://www.mazdamaniac.com/q_mile_calculator?

Gord96BRG

Apples to apples, please. If you wish to quote Road&Track performance test results, then please do so for BOTH vehicles. To compare R&T results for one vehicle and private results for the other vehicle is meaningless. Alternately, you could find a RSX Type-S that ran the same day at the same track as this RX-8 and compare that run...

For someone who loves to quote statistics, you can do a much better job than that.

Regards,
Gordon

Supercharger

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...3&pagenumber=3

Blue 350z

Well the RSX Type-S is running low 15's in real life and in the mag times, the RX8 is not coming anywhere near the mag numbers ( on average 0.7 seconds off), so IMO it is apples to apples since real life numbers mean more and both are running low 15's. Also quite a few RSX Type-S cars are cracking into the 14's stock, most RSX's are also trapping closer to 94mph also.


GORDON:
I know your just trying to defend your car, but EVERYBODY knows that the production RX8's are not coming anywhere near the mag times, so what would be the point of quoting them???

mikeb

350,
why did you come back
You said you were done here

Blue 350z

I bet you wish there was nobody here to make factual posts so everybody can post all kinds of nonsense and it will be a happy little forum full of fantasy times and opinions. There will always be outsiders, on the 350z forum there are 17k members and LOTS of V8 american car owners chime in all the time, there are a few conflicts but we live in peace, this is how all GOOD forums are.

I read all kinds of forums, and if I feel the need to jump into a topic for a reason, I do. Somebody runs a 15.2 1/4 with a 2.3 60' and says they can run a 14.5 with a better launch, i'll be there. I just present neutral facts and I am not bashing or putting anybody or anything down, if you don't like me popping my head in now and then, too bad.

Gord96BRG

In your absence, you've obviously missed the time slips and GTechPro results posted with RX-8s running mid-14s, with a best run reported of 14.0@101. Put a good driver in a broken in RX-8 with DSC off, and they are getting the 14s the mags reported.

Regards,
Gordon

Ike

They must be hiding because I never saw them either, show me these "slips" and GTechPros are fun little toys that can give you an idea of things but in the end the results mean very little.

Ike

350zFan

GTech's are known for consistency; accuracy they are not. As for breaking into the 14's, I dont doubt that the rx8 can. Similar to alot of hondas tho I'm sure it takes a clutch-punishing launch to pull it off.

sandiegorx8

The 8 can do it with 4 people in the car comfortably though

Supercharger

Acura RSX Type-S trap speeds:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=90

aussie77

A haiku befitting the situation:

Blue Three-Fifty Z
You said you were gone for good
A pity you're back

Or:

Three-fifty Z Fan
You own a different car
Take a big chill pill

Blue 350z

This seems very believable since everybody is running 15.2-15.3@90-92mph

Why can't people just accept the fact that the RX8 is a low 15 second car?? Its a fact!! You are not going to get mid-low 14's with 180rwhp on a 3000LB car! Sure there may be some freak ones that run slightly better, as with any car. But its a low 15 second car, PEROID.

I have seen it with my own eyes at the track, 1 guy could not break 15.4@91 all day, the other car had a best of 15.3@91.5 on another day in ideal weather conditions, dry, low 60's.

You can make all the excuses you want, breaking it in, launching, weather conditions, fast shifting etc..

THE RX8 ON AVERAGE WILL BE RUNNING 15.1-15.4@90-92MPH. DEAL WITH IT. SOME MAY BE SLIGHTLY FASTER, SOME WILL BE SLIGHTLY SLOWER.

Its not like the RX8 is slow, nothing to be ashamed of, its just running on average .7 slower ET's then was expected due to Mazda basically selling the cars missing 25-30rwhp. Don't be mad at me, be mad at Mazda, they are to blame. I am just bringing facts to the table.

Tresch

Don't knock the guy for pointing out facts. Why's everyone gotta be so harsh? We're judging people just because of the car they drive now? That's a little shallow, don't you think?

The truth is, the GTechPro isn't an actual 1/4 mile run. The tool might be handy for comparing before and after mods to see what kind of performance gain you get comparitively.. but the timeslips are estimated.

Sneakyracer

I agrre with 350z, the RX8 is a low 15 sec car. (at least most are) Thats not too bad.
Regarding the Gtech, I HAVE ONE, and have tested it extensively in several cars so i wont repeat words heard somewhere else just my own experience.
In some cars I have found the Gtech times very close to the times obtained at the drag strip (of course both under similar weather conditions), in other cars for some reason I have found up to .5-.7 second discrepancies, on the low side meaning that on the drag strip timing it was more than a half second slower than what the gtech said. 1/4 mile MPH in all cases was too optimistic on the gtech when compared to a drag strip, about 5mph too much.

aussie77

Is it that important to you to establish the 1/4 mile time to owners for a car YOU DON'T EVEN OWN?

This sort of comment is entirely unnecessary, nor is it particularly factual. You can deny break-in all you want but we are seeing dynos coming out with higher numbers as cars get more miles on them.

Likewise in your assertation you completely ignore the timeslips released that showed an average run in the mid 14's. Regardless of what a DRIVER might get, the CAR is capable of mid 14 second quarter miles. That is a simple fact. But of course your ego is so caught up in trashing the RX-8 you're not very interested in facts.

Go away again. These forums were much more pleasant without trolls like you around.

Tresch

whoah whoah, not this again.. hold up a second. Noones here to TRASH the rx-8! Please stopp assuming the worst! I love the ******* car! I've test driven one and I'm THIS close to buying one *holds thumb and forefinger close together*

All I'm trying to find out is how much power they actually have, since yes.. I do like to drive fast, and yes.. I already have a fairly quick car, and no, I don't particularly care to double my monthly payments for something that doesn't really perform any better.

And finally, the biggest deal to me, is just the fact that mazda is misrepresenting it's power output to the customers. Does that not bother ANYONE in here? Do the words FALSE ADVERTISEMENT mean nothing? You do understand we're not talking about 9 horspower here.. we're talking about potentially 30. at 238 horsepower, I'm confident the rx-8 would pull mid fourteens with ease.

I understand that not everyone is concerned with power.. THATS OK.. but some people ARE concerned with it. We're not being harsh, or offensive, or pushy or mean.. all we're doing is stating facts and observations. I'm sorry if those displease you.

Now, back on subject: You mention timeslips showing mid 14 second times.. a few people have mentioned these, but I've looked around and haven't seen anything of the sort. Maybe you can link us to them? Trust me, I'd LOVE for you to prove me wrong!

-Tresch

Blue 350z

If you want to live in a dream world, thats fine. If you don't like me telling facts, thats fine too. But the guy Vosko showed a 191 dyno sheet then a 15.2@92 time slip.

As for the other mystery time slips you speak of, where are they, where did they come from, who did they come from? If they are from Mazda or a Mazda sponsered source, they are COMPLETLEY worthless.

Real timeslips from real people are what matters, and in MOST cases usually people run BETTER then published times.. Also not the case here..

Why don't you go to the track and see for yourself and prove me wrong, I have $1000 that you won't go under 15.0.

Some people are either so hard headed they cannot accept facts or they have NO clue and a total disregard for physics/facts and are gullible enough to believe Mazda's slips after they are still selling RX8's with published 238HP when it should be closer to 220.

Also so what if 1 person runs a 14.5 with an rx8 if some mystery time slip is true, nobody else is coming close to that number!!

vosko

my 91 MPH is going to be more like the 188rwhp pull than the 196rwhp pull. this was done on regular 93 octane. if we had put in the 103 octane i bet it would have done a few more MPH on the strip

vosko

the rx8 is a 14 second car. it is VERY hard to run 14's but it can. i KNOW it can

Sneakyracer

There is really too much discussions based on recycled info over and over. I hope to see more people speaking directly from experience, after taking their RX8's to the track and dyno. Seems only a few people here are actually doing that.

I am really considering buying the RX8. BUT, I am holding my purchase until I am sure about the hp and acceleration capability of the car. Those are very important to me. Doesnt mean that looks, handling, braking and overall quality arent, they are and the RX8 passed my approval in all those aspects! But speed/power is a huge raison d'etre for a car like the RX8 (and the s2000/350z for that matter).

And since I live in the tropics where its hot/humid most o fthe tiime i suspect that the RX8 will post even worse times in puerto rico weather if the ecu isnt tuned right from the factory. I even read a post in a local forum that a guy took his RX8 to the track and posted a 16.1 sec 1/4 mile and left in embarassment (i am sure he had a bad 60ft time but his 89mph trap speed wasnt stellar either)

The 350Z doesnt have that problem, several of my friends have them (and G35 coupes) and they are very consistent and produce good power and are SOLID mid 14 sec cars stock. Regardless of driving skill they will post 14 sec 1/4 mile times easily. S2000 require more skill but locally i have seen stock times from 14.4-14.9, solid 14 sec car too. RSX type s's are 15second cars stock here but they respond tremendously to mods! My friend has 215 wheel hp! (rsx-r factory cams/chip/intake/header/exhaust) taking from a stock 15.3 1/4 mile to a 13.9!!!. If the RX8 is the same well, I would buy it!