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Old 11-13-2008, 05:31 PM
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This is what happens when used sports cars are plenty in the dealer lots and can be had for cheap.
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Originally Posted by Renesis07
Ill spoon feed it:

Manual:

238 bhp
0-60 5.8-6.5 seconds
1/4 mile- 14.5-14.8
Redline- 8500 RPMS
Pros- better power, ability to launch, higher redline of 9500 rpms

AUTO
0-60 8.5-10 seconds
Power- 212bhp
1/4 miles- 16's to 17's

Redlind- 7500 rpms
Pros- easier to drive, same great handling.

Cons- INABILITY TO LAUNCH which makes the car seem 'slow' especially when looking at raw numbers, lower redline which cuts power a bit.

Both auto and manual have the same great handling as long as the AT has the sport suspension and brakes and 18" rims. The MT is a far better performer in straight line performance than the AT.

Hope this helped, it was the simplist explaination I could think of
FIXED TIMES.....
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hers a vid.....with a comparo
stupid kids but u get the point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjOG5fRSd0
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BEST AUTO 0-60 I COULD FIND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKqqL3qdORc
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AND HERES ME....WITH A CRAPPY SHIFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqpvGvyKC0c
Old 11-13-2008, 05:44 PM
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Did I Say That I Frekin Hate Auto 8's........i Think That They Sholdve Never Been Made......
Thats Why They Never Made An Auto S2000
No Torque + Auto = Stupid Slow
Old 11-13-2008, 05:48 PM
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car savvy my a**
guys btw
he cant test drive the MT rx8
because he cant drive the MT
so with that option gone
dont start with an rx8 MT either
ur gonna stall it to hell and flood it
my 2 bits
Old 11-14-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chancejat
Did I Say That I Frekin Hate Auto 8's........i Think That They Sholdve Never Been Made......
Thats Why They Never Made An Auto S2000
No Torque + Auto = Stupid Slow

I think it would've been neat if they would have offered the "auto" as an actual semi-manual. For me though, I love my car, I knew what I was getting into fully, and didn't care. But I'm only 20, and I have a slightly different mindset. I suppose I'll have an insanely fast car when I can afford to. But it won't be a n/a rx-8 either way (when it comes to speed lol). I wouldn't mind building a multiturbo'd 20b or 26b in the future. I wouldn't mind dropping it in an 8 either. Hopefully that will be an obtainable goal before not too long.
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Originally Posted by StyleRide
but seeing ive never driven manual
Do you mean you've never owned a manual?
Or you've never been behind the wheel of a manual?

If it is the latter..........you are not an informed buyer.
This is a major purchase.
Get yourself informed.
Drive a stick.

If it is the former.;..........NVM
Old 11-14-2008, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blackenedwings
Because according to the first two movies, every time you shift you get a huge burst of power like a kick from behind. Who wouldn't want to keep shifting?? The only thing that even comes close to that kind of acceleration is NOS!
haha lmao everytime they shift it looks like they hit the power band on a 1000 lb/ft car
Old 11-14-2008, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by briann
You're limited on rpms in an AT(6,500?) forgot. w/ the MT you get to go up to 9000rpms!
stock you can go between 7,500 and 8,000. with proper tuning, you can do 9,000 and above.
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Originally Posted by chancejat
BEST AUTO 0-60 I COULD FIND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKqqL3qdORc
That was 9 seconds if you watch the timer
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AND HERES ME....WITH A CRAPPY SHIFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqpvGvyKC0c
Crappy shift or not, that was a great launch. You hit 60 in sub 6 seconds.
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dude yea I totally don't want my times to represent the auto rx-8 until they're at least half decent.

they might be slightly more exciting when I have AP and a 8.5k redline
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Originally Posted by exsequor
dude yea I totally don't want my times to represent the auto rx-8 until they're at least half decent.

they might be slightly more exciting when I have AP and a 8.5k redline
Theyll never be exciting bc you cant launch unless you neutral drop it. Unless you boost it to relieve the low rpm 'rotary lag'.

Remember, MTs arent so much faster than ATs because of a power difference, 20 horsepower doesnt affect THAT much. But with an MT you can launch properly for fast times.
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ahaha I'm mostly joking about the exciting part =P

I do plan to turbo my 8 when it's financially viable for me (1-2 years is realistic). If I can get 200-260whp out of maybe 5-6psi boost for a realiable DD tune, I'd be really happy. I dunno if it's possible (to get those numbers reliably), but I've read more about it then most that ask silly questions about it on here.

More then likely though, within 1-2 years when I'm financially viable to put 8-9 grand into it (to do it right), I'll already have my 8 fully paid off and I'll probably just get an 09 MT and turbo that. Time will only tell. One thing is for sure though...I don't think I can't own a rotary =D
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Theres a member here with a Greddy boosed AT and its at 185whp and 242 wtq.

Although thats a helluva of torque which is awesome, bear in mind a STOCK MT has 180-185whp.
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Worst part of having the AT is getting ignant flames by others on here for driving auto...but plain and simple if you drive in constant traffic it is very nice, plus if your not planning on doing any kind of racing there is no pro of the mt...sure it has more HP but then you factor the 8's have so inconsistant dyno numbers that you may may lose your +20hp curve. This is not a fast car at all so make sure you know this going in. It handles great, the rpms are smooth, thats all you get with a NA rotary. I've ran with MT 8's and trust me they do not leave AT's like that video that was posted, unless I have some freak 6spd AT. Also the reason the MT have a bit more power is cause I believe their peak HP is beyond the AT's redline so if you get tuned to remove rev limit then you may be able to get closer to their number-the loss with AT tranny compared to MT. You can have just as much fun in an auto as the MT. But it all depends on the driver and their situation/setting. Just buy an 8, you won't regret it....unless your motor blows up
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Originally Posted by jiggawha1
. I've ran with MT 8's and trust me they do not leave AT's like that video that was posted, unless I have some freak 6spd AT.
The one in the vid was a 4AT . Your 6AT would most likely 1/2 the difference ....
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I agree that a normal AT vs MT the difference is not nearly as great as that video.

I know this from personal experience as well, and the guy I raced in the MT 8 definitely knew how to shift his launch was sex. He may be from this forum he was 04-05 sunlight silver with washington plates.
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it's really just the launch that kills the AT's numbers...but hey maybe one day we will get a 16yr old to dump it and see what happens hahaha
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Originally Posted by jiggawha1
Worst part of having the AT is getting ignant flames by others on here for driving auto...but plain and simple if you drive in constant traffic it is very nice, plus if your not planning on doing any kind of racing there is no pro of the mt...sure it has more HP but then you factor the 8's have so inconsistant dyno numbers that you may may lose your +20hp curve. This is not a fast car at all so make sure you know this going in. It handles great, the rpms are smooth, thats all you get with a NA rotary. I've ran with MT 8's and trust me they do not leave AT's like that video that was posted, unless I have some freak 6spd AT. Also the reason the MT have a bit more power is cause I believe their peak HP is beyond the AT's redline so if you get tuned to remove rev limit then you may be able to get closer to their number-the loss with AT tranny compared to MT. You can have just as much fun in an auto as the MT. But it all depends on the driver and their situation/setting. Just buy an 8, you won't regret it....unless your motor blows up
Theres not a whole lot of 'ignant' things said here. The dude asked an opinion and hes getting opinions as well as facts. An MT, as Ive stated twice, is not faster becuase of the 20 horsepower.

If you were to take an MT and an AT and have them both race from a 20 mph start the MT would CRAWL away after the first shift of the AT. It would not be a slaying. 20 horsepower is NOT much.

However, if you were to race an MT and an AT from a start, the MT would CRUSH an AT. Reason being is you can feather the clutch and launch with an MT which you cannot do in an AT no matter how many bolt ons you put, unless you choose to do a neutral drop which isnt worth it.

Thats why MT's are faster than AT's, theres nothing ignorant about anything stated here, its all factual.
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Originally Posted by Renesis07
20 horsepower is NOT much.
20 hp is a lot when you add losses of a slush box to it . Check the dyno threads and you'll see it's more than 20hp at the wheels ....
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It does too cause we raced down a slope which lead to a nice down-grade hill. There was a 2-3 car gap from the launch, and I didn't get any closer then that until my second pulled past 5.5k rpm's.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
20 hp is a lot when you add losses of a slush box to it . Check the dyno threads and you'll see it's more than 20hp at the wheels ....
so maybe we should be praising the car for doing so well with what it's limited with.

I mean
3200 pound curb weight
120-130 dyno whp (at sea level)
4 speed slushbox

The fact that I've raced a 96' integra r type with the increased redline, intake, exhaust, 5 speed manual and he only smoked me off the line. We pulled next to each other til 90+ when I passed him. I think that's pretty remarkable considering the integra is similiar weight, higher horsepower and torque and MTX. Not to mention my car was full of people. Btw this wasn't on the streets and it was a friend of mine so it was for real (disclaimer). This same guy has a 2005 WRX that runs in the 12's (like 5-10k in mods) and he respects the hell out of my car.
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he was probably an AT as well

sorry - just winding you up ......


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