omg.... warranty problem
02-19-2008, 06:26 PM
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geeez.. i just got done reading this thread. snowflakes...what happened?
did they repo your car?
this thread is a reminder that the Moss Magnuson act is worthless. You can cite it all day long to a dealer and they can and will still say "the mod caused the failure" "so sue me".
90% of the time, the cost of the lawyer/lawsuit is more than the repair and no one sues the dealer. period. so they win.
this is a lesson to know that if you mod - you may pay for it.
you have to pay to play folks. when you factor that an intake gives you like 2hp..or whatever..it's not worth it.
or just do Mazdaspeed stuff and have the dealer install it. then they can't say the mod did it b/c it's their stuff.
did they repo your car?
this thread is a reminder that the Moss Magnuson act is worthless. You can cite it all day long to a dealer and they can and will still say "the mod caused the failure" "so sue me".
90% of the time, the cost of the lawyer/lawsuit is more than the repair and no one sues the dealer. period. so they win.
this is a lesson to know that if you mod - you may pay for it.
you have to pay to play folks. when you factor that an intake gives you like 2hp..or whatever..it's not worth it.
or just do Mazdaspeed stuff and have the dealer install it. then they can't say the mod did it b/c it's their stuff.
02-20-2008, 01:36 AM
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Alright,YOU just pissed me off with that post.... before saying anything more then "FAILING AMERICANS"on my thread,Remeber this, if you dont got nething better to say then dont EVEN SAY IT...YOU GOT THAT?...Dont judge what you dont know, and ESPECIALLY "FAILING AMERICANS". You aint no BETTER then anyone else. PERIOD-
Statistics...HAH! stfu....
but anyways, i talked to the bank loaners today and one consultant told me to just get it fixed by callin up the insurance company and tellin them the situation and from there they will contact the dealer and me in a conference call. And if Mazda does not comply to it, i can SUE FOR EVEN MORE THEN IT ALREADY IS. NOW I GOT TO WAIT TILL TOMORROW FOR THE CALL!
and i didnt even need a lawyer...besides paying a deductible if anything.
Statistics...HAH! stfu....
but anyways, i talked to the bank loaners today and one consultant told me to just get it fixed by callin up the insurance company and tellin them the situation and from there they will contact the dealer and me in a conference call. And if Mazda does not comply to it, i can SUE FOR EVEN MORE THEN IT ALREADY IS. NOW I GOT TO WAIT TILL TOMORROW FOR THE CALL!
and i didnt even need a lawyer...besides paying a deductible if anything.
02-20-2008, 02:25 AM
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Good question?
but what ive learned so far from this crazy shitt is that:
An insurance company does not cover "wear and tear" or any "mechanical" failures with the engine... but since Mazda claims that it was from debris going inside the motor to cause the problem of the engine to fail.... it now isnt a mechanical failure .
And now think of water if you hydrolocked your motor and seized up. depending on what type of plan you have with ur insurance company, they will cover it and claim as an accident...its not any much more different with dirt going in and fukin up the engine..if the techs at mazda says it is, then thats what it is.... but ill see whats good tomorrow, all i can do is wait and hear what they have to say to me~
but what ive learned so far from this crazy shitt is that:
An insurance company does not cover "wear and tear" or any "mechanical" failures with the engine... but since Mazda claims that it was from debris going inside the motor to cause the problem of the engine to fail.... it now isnt a mechanical failure .
And now think of water if you hydrolocked your motor and seized up. depending on what type of plan you have with ur insurance company, they will cover it and claim as an accident...its not any much more different with dirt going in and fukin up the engine..if the techs at mazda says it is, then thats what it is.... but ill see whats good tomorrow, all i can do is wait and hear what they have to say to me~
02-20-2008, 09:27 AM
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You really need to talk to a lawyer. They don't charge anything to talk to you about the case - they will advise you what to do. At which point you decide what to do and if you sue, you then pay to have the lawyer start the case. (retainer)
DO NOT expect that the insurance company will do anything to help you. I can already predict how your conference call will go:
Mazda: Failure due to aftermarket mods.
Ins Co.: Oh, well then we won't cover it either.
You: WTF just happened???
DO NOT expect that the insurance company will do anything to help you. I can already predict how your conference call will go:
Mazda: Failure due to aftermarket mods.
Ins Co.: Oh, well then we won't cover it either.
You: WTF just happened???
02-20-2008, 10:57 AM
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You really need to talk to a lawyer. They don't charge anything to talk to you about the case - they will advise you what to do. At which point you decide what to do and if you sue, you then pay to have the lawyer start the case. (retainer)
DO NOT expect that the insurance company will do anything to help you. I can already predict how your conference call will go:
Mazda: Failure due to aftermarket mods.
Ins Co.: Oh, well then we won't cover it either.
You: WTF just happened???
DO NOT expect that the insurance company will do anything to help you. I can already predict how your conference call will go:
Mazda: Failure due to aftermarket mods.
Ins Co.: Oh, well then we won't cover it either.
You: WTF just happened???
If your dealer won't take care of it, don't expect your insurance company to pay either. Do you think they also won't fight this out with you ? If the dealer blames it on the intake then the insurance company can deny you on the same basis. It's like if you remove your intake completely and **** does get in the engine...can you blame it on the debris then?
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02-20-2008, 11:59 AM
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and dmc, you are correct~
insurance company just said no to that kind of claim. there wasnt even any conference call either... it was just flat out "NO". I also asked for what my policy covers and she said my policy doesnt go to an extent where if my motor got hydrolocked they still wouldnt cover it.
anyways i wont be posting here any time soon but ill be back with some news.
See ya people.
insurance company just said no to that kind of claim. there wasnt even any conference call either... it was just flat out "NO". I also asked for what my policy covers and she said my policy doesnt go to an extent where if my motor got hydrolocked they still wouldnt cover it.
anyways i wont be posting here any time soon but ill be back with some news.
See ya people.
02-20-2008, 01:27 PM
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son, let me tell you some words of advice straight from my heart...
DO NO PUT UP WITH THIS BULLSHIT!
1)get as much solid evidence about the current condition of your car as you can, aside from the evaluation that your stealership gave you of your car (in case your dealership tries to further scheme and lie to you by presenting false information about the status of your car in court).
2) take photos, video recordings, and keep a documented journal with time and date of every minor event occurring from here on out.
3) consult with a seasoned lawyer, and inform him that you are ambitious in not only winning a monetary battle with your dealership, but a moral battle as well. tell your lawyer that you wish to press charges against the dealership for fradulent deception of it's customers and an attempt to rob you of your money through a faulty claim of your car.
4) never give up in court, be prepared to free up your schedule for all sorts of dates with court, as many as you can (even for the most minor of reasons...have them come in even if it's to just **** them off by wasting their time).
5) do not settle with just pressing charges against your mazda dealership, but go to the length of pressing charges and sueing the technicians on counts of possible conspiracy to unlawfully rob you of your warranty and to try stealing your money!
i am very experienced with the courts system, so if you are needing any additional help or advice, do not hesitate to send me a PM. i am one to stick up for the underdog and to fight for true justice in our society (unlike many of these kangaroo courts and private parties ) and i will ask for no reimbursments in my help to you! best of luck.
DO NO PUT UP WITH THIS BULLSHIT!
1)get as much solid evidence about the current condition of your car as you can, aside from the evaluation that your stealership gave you of your car (in case your dealership tries to further scheme and lie to you by presenting false information about the status of your car in court).
2) take photos, video recordings, and keep a documented journal with time and date of every minor event occurring from here on out.
3) consult with a seasoned lawyer, and inform him that you are ambitious in not only winning a monetary battle with your dealership, but a moral battle as well. tell your lawyer that you wish to press charges against the dealership for fradulent deception of it's customers and an attempt to rob you of your money through a faulty claim of your car.
4) never give up in court, be prepared to free up your schedule for all sorts of dates with court, as many as you can (even for the most minor of reasons...have them come in even if it's to just **** them off by wasting their time).
5) do not settle with just pressing charges against your mazda dealership, but go to the length of pressing charges and sueing the technicians on counts of possible conspiracy to unlawfully rob you of your warranty and to try stealing your money!
i am very experienced with the courts system, so if you are needing any additional help or advice, do not hesitate to send me a PM. i am one to stick up for the underdog and to fight for true justice in our society (unlike many of these kangaroo courts and private parties
) and i will ask for no reimbursments in my help to you! best of luck. just barely reading thru ths thread and, you sir, are hardcore!
i have no problems with my car or such... but i feel you're a good person to deserve a spot in my buddylist.
hey, i never know when i may need some legal advice.... which i'm may feel i need to ask a few somewhere in the future.
02-20-2008, 02:10 PM
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sorry if i didn't have time to read all posts.
but has somewhere along the lines that you have looked at your HKS intake box and its recommended usage?
i hate to put a frown on ur face being inthe situation you're in... but if it states "racing use only. for use offroad ....blah blah vehicle not to be used upon a highway" then i can see this is going to be a hard battle for you.
it just sucks if your maintainence habits are well, yet your motor goes on you and you get stuck.
this is why i go with a K&N direct replacement drop-in. no arguments there.
but has somewhere along the lines that you have looked at your HKS intake box and its recommended usage?
i hate to put a frown on ur face being inthe situation you're in... but if it states "racing use only. for use offroad ....blah blah vehicle not to be used upon a highway" then i can see this is going to be a hard battle for you.
it just sucks if your maintainence habits are well, yet your motor goes on you and you get stuck.
this is why i go with a K&N direct replacement drop-in. no arguments there.
02-20-2008, 08:49 PM
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sorry if i didn't have time to read all posts.
but has somewhere along the lines that you have looked at your HKS intake box and its recommended usage?
i hate to put a frown on ur face being inthe situation you're in... but if it states "racing use only. for use offroad ....blah blah vehicle not to be used upon a highway" then i can see this is going to be a hard battle for you.
it just sucks if your maintainence habits are well, yet your motor goes on you and you get stuck.
this is why i go with a K&N direct replacement drop-in. no arguments there.
but has somewhere along the lines that you have looked at your HKS intake box and its recommended usage?
i hate to put a frown on ur face being inthe situation you're in... but if it states "racing use only. for use offroad ....blah blah vehicle not to be used upon a highway" then i can see this is going to be a hard battle for you.
it just sucks if your maintainence habits are well, yet your motor goes on you and you get stuck.
this is why i go with a K&N direct replacement drop-in. no arguments there.
02-21-2008, 12:45 AM
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ahh.. i hate law
If the dealer, or on approval of Mazda North America give snowflakes a written letter stating engine failure is due to debri entering through the intake. This would qualify as a 'possible' accident deduction as the vehicle failure was caused by road damage. (think Pothole, bent rim, squirrel trying to get a nut) A deer for those of you that don't have any in parenthesis.
So he has a marginal shot. (Sorry i'm a skeptic) but the bank wants their money, and they're willing to go to bat for him so he will continue to make his payments. The million penny question is... will Mazda play ball? It's a very... grey matter.... don't ask me why i know these loopholes
02-21-2008, 01:43 AM
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02-21-2008, 10:36 AM
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Just get it fixed. The repo will cost you 1000x more in the long run then the 4500 to fix the motor.
Or have a tree fall on the dame thing, insurance wil cover that
Or have a tree fall on the dame thing, insurance wil cover that
02-21-2008, 01:35 PM
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Good question?
but what ive learned so far from this crazy shitt is that:
An insurance company does not cover "wear and tear" or any "mechanical" failures with the engine... but since Mazda claims that it was from debris going inside the motor to cause the problem of the engine to fail.... it now isnt a mechanical failure .And now think of water if you hydrolocked your motor and seized up. depending on what type of plan you have with ur insurance company, they will cover it and claim as an accident...its not any much more different with dirt going in and fukin up the engine..if the techs at mazda says it is, then thats what it is.... but ill see whats good tomorrow, all i can do is wait and hear what they have to say to me~
but what ive learned so far from this crazy shitt is that:
An insurance company does not cover "wear and tear" or any "mechanical" failures with the engine... but since Mazda claims that it was from debris going inside the motor to cause the problem of the engine to fail.... it now isnt a mechanical failure .And now think of water if you hydrolocked your motor and seized up. depending on what type of plan you have with ur insurance company, they will cover it and claim as an accident...its not any much more different with dirt going in and fukin up the engine..if the techs at mazda says it is, then thats what it is.... but ill see whats good tomorrow, all i can do is wait and hear what they have to say to me~
02-21-2008, 02:12 PM
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I just got done reading this. It is a shame that the dealer will help you install aftermarket parts (in some cases) but they will put this guy through all this b/c of an intake ! I truely feel bad for him. I'm sure he meant well and works hard for his 8, and to keep it afloat (car payments and all). Wish there was something more this forum could do, but Kudo's to all you guys, you provided some good knowledge here on laws, dealers and attorneys. Hope it all works out for you in the end man - Good Luck and keep us posted.
02-21-2008, 06:39 PM
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eyy, just to start things off...i reallly would like to thank everyone for helping me and giving me advices on this problem im having... You guys are really helpful and most important of all very important people to me. even if it is through online but you know what imm saying...~ lol
SO THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE SUPPORT AND HELP. I wish i had some money so i can buy everyone something for their cars. dead ***... but sorry i dont LOL. but this post is to everyone. Good Looking out people. [plays sad song on violin]hahaha
anyways for the good news...
im keeping my car. !! my buddy is helping me out and putting me on side credit to as much time to repay him back for installation and built engine~ .... im glad everything worked out, and most of all im glad there is such a great forum for RX8 owners. You guys deserve alot of credit. Keep up the Good Work.
SO THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE SUPPORT AND HELP. I wish i had some money so i can buy everyone something for their cars. dead ***... but sorry i dont LOL. but this post is to everyone. Good Looking out people. [plays sad song on violin]hahaha
anyways for the good news...
im keeping my car.
!! my buddy is helping me out and putting me on side credit to as much time to repay him back for installation and built engine~ .... im glad everything worked out, and most of all im glad there is such a great forum for RX8 owners. You guys deserve alot of credit. Keep up the Good Work.
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02-21-2008, 06:49 PM
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p.s. - **** those ******** at Mazda. even tho i was the one giving in and gave up with them, the truth is they're just money hungry people and really doesnt know how to service & satisfy a customer/person.... very disappointing. but oh well. i learned and will conquer next time. hahah =]]
02-21-2008, 08:14 PM
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Money hungry is right. Oh yeah my friend Drew also had the local dealer install a six disc cd changer in his car. When he got the car loaded it had everything but a 6 disc cd changer. He told them no where in the paper work does it state one or six. I ordered a fully equeped car. Where is my six disc cd changer?
Long story short he got one
Hang in there man.
Long story short he got one
Hang in there man.
02-21-2008, 09:22 PM
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aka, dominion is saying don't eat the cost. Keep in mind if you do decide to go solo, that will for sure void THE warranty for the motor itself, and your looking at about 1000.00 core charge if you don't send your old one back to the place you ordered the engine from (prices vary) so any proof of engine failure is out the window to take to court.
I'm with dominion on this if you can afford to go without a car for about 8 weeks... The Magnum Moss act literally has them mediating a 3 we conversation as if it where a court case, but these are pre-set rules established by the Government to ensure sellers have a 'due process' when voiding there agreements, instead of "oh yeah blabh blah blah part did it, that is aftermarket" then not providing documentation to prove in writing on results of 'root cause'.
So, check with your local attorney on starting the ball on the Magnum Moss act. Take info you already have, 'meeting minutes/times you have gone in and dropped and picked up the car'. Listen to what your lawyer has to say going forward...
Some lawyers don't require a retainer fee (money down). So ask if they will take your case, with payment if court case is won, or based on percentage of settlement... <-- if they do agree, ask for a written contract, or if you should provide one for the lawsuit relation.
Idealy touching 'said item' involved in the issue is not recommended, but again it's your time and your money. I think there's something fishy if they can't provide 'WRITTEN' documentation of your warranty being null or void, with written reason... basically telling you to go **** off. Which is why i say play your poker face and smile when you want to get pissed, acting out doesn't aid your goal of "Getting it covered under agreed warranty".
http://www.rightautos.com/Autos/Magn..._Act-s#Sources
I'm with dominion on this if you can afford to go without a car for about 8 weeks... The Magnum Moss act literally has them mediating a 3 we conversation as if it where a court case, but these are pre-set rules established by the Government to ensure sellers have a 'due process' when voiding there agreements, instead of "oh yeah blabh blah blah part did it, that is aftermarket" then not providing documentation to prove in writing on results of 'root cause'.
So, check with your local attorney on starting the ball on the Magnum Moss act. Take info you already have, 'meeting minutes/times you have gone in and dropped and picked up the car'. Listen to what your lawyer has to say going forward...
Some lawyers don't require a retainer fee (money down). So ask if they will take your case, with payment if court case is won, or based on percentage of settlement... <-- if they do agree, ask for a written contract, or if you should provide one for the lawsuit relation.
Idealy touching 'said item' involved in the issue is not recommended, but again it's your time and your money. I think there's something fishy if they can't provide 'WRITTEN' documentation of your warranty being null or void, with written reason... basically telling you to go **** off. Which is why i say play your poker face and smile when you want to get pissed, acting out doesn't aid your goal of "Getting it covered under agreed warranty".
http://www.rightautos.com/Autos/Magn..._Act-s#Sources