FastRX8

Glad you're OK.
Hope your car isn't... Then you can post pix of your new 8.

Please keep us posted on your insurance company's decision.

BTW - If you don't mind saying, which insurance company do you have?
My wife works for the company that insures my 8, so I don't think I'd have any problems getting mine totaled.

Good luck

- Cesar -

Aratinga

I was told to expect one week of repair time for each $1000 worth of damage. With damage as extensive as yours I can practically guarantee that the total cost of repair will be considerably more than the initial appraisal/estimate -- possibly even thousands of dollars more. You also have lots of aftermarket items on your car that were damaged, right? You are entitled to have those replaced.

Don't forget to include new driveshaft and motormounts in the estimate; if they're not there, insist on them. That'll add another $1500 or so.

Good luck. Be patient.

valpac

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Thanks for all your help. It will come in handy. So far the insurance appraiser said repairable and about 12K in damage. Based on your car I think thats really low.

I had the car towed to Mazda Collision Center telling them I would rather the car total than to have to wait to get back a repaired vehicle. They said they will start with the appraisers estimate and take the car apart to get the "real" cost to repair.

Only have one picture (from my phone) to show. Am going to get more I think tomorrow.

Aratinga

Yeah... sounds familiar. My initial estimate was about $12K as well. By the time all the repairs were done it came to over $16K. Expect it to take at least one week for each $1K of repairs; make sure you get reimbursed for a rental car.

If you like, I can give you the name of the guy I worked with at my body shop, which is also at a Mazda dealership. He learned a lot about RX-8 rear-ender repairs doing my car, and he'd be the one to tell your body shop what to look for.

While your car's in the shop, STOP BY OFTEN. Take pictures of the repairs as they progress, especially as the new body panels are being welded in place. You have to make sure the welds are done according to Mazda's body repair manual. Oh, and expect your car to get absolutely f***ing filthy while it's in the shop; mine was immaculate when it went in and now I'll never get all the grit and dust out of all the nooks and crannies.

I can tell you that, now that I've finally got my car back and all the little issues have been ironed out (like a stubborn water leak that was soaking the rear seat cushions every time it rained), the car drives just like new. You'd never be able to tell she's been through that kind of damage and repair. The paint match was perfect, the body panels line up perfectly and the gaps between them are all even. There were little smudges of paint overspray here and there that I had them clean up, but overall the repair was excellent and I enjoy driving the car every bit as much as I did before... maybe even more so now, because I'm not worried about having to keep her pristine anymore! :D

Air Force RX8

Valpac, here are the pics of my collision from an F-150 to the rear-end with some damage to the driver's side doors from a secondary impact from another vehicle. Does not look like much and hardly damaged compared to yours, but my total is currently $8,900 and has been in the shop since 28 Feb and will not be done until the 22nd of April. Even though it does not appear to have much damage, there was a significant offset of the unibody that required 8 pulls to restore to factory specs. Make sure the shop you use has a unibody alignment machine before you let them do the work. Feel free to PM me with any questions...

valpac

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Thanks AirForceRX8. Will do.

Questions for Aratinga and AirForceRX8 (or anyone who had repairs done on their RX8). Did you get a Mazda dealer to do the repairs? Did or would you have considered any body shop other than Mazda?

Was your warranty affected at all? TIA

Aratinga

I had my car towed to a shop that is actually on the same lot as a Mazda dealership, but is an independent business that works on all makes of cars. I figured that the car was going to need mechanical work as well as body repair, and that having Mazda technicians and a Mazda parts source right there would be smart.

I considered other shops, but because I wanted Mazda techs to do the mechanical work I stayed with the original shop.... especially since the RX-8 is still a relatively new model and I didn't want some guy working on it who had never worked on an 8 before.

As far as warranty goes... my Mazda warranty on drivetrain, etc. is unaffected. I do not know if the original Mazda warranty extends to the new replaced body parts, but since they are all Mazda OEM parts and the work was done by a shop affiliated with a Mazda dealer, I would expect the warranty to remain in effect.

Additionally, the bodyshop warrants all its repairs and paint work for the life of the car, but only for as long as I own it! That totally sucks, because if I go to sell the car, the bodyshop will no longer honor the warranty on their work. That's f***ed up, but apparently it's standard for the industry. Arguing about it with them got me nowhere.

Air Force RX8

I went to Harrison's Body and Glass in Macon. They have been nothing short of amazing thus far and so has USAA. When the other idiots POS insurance company was jacking me around Harrison's put my 8 on the unibody machine whether or not they were going to get paid for the time because they want my car to be right. Then USAA stepped in and waived my $500 deductible so that I didn't have to hassle with Palisades any more.

By all means shop around and ask for a tour of the facility, make them show you why your car should be repaired there as opposed to somewhere else. My gut feeling when I toured Harrison's was that this was a place that the quality of the repair was the number one priority. One facility would not let me tour the area (gave the age old insurance doesn't allow it routine), the other two were untidy, unorganized and had guys standing around cars with open interiors smoking and goofing off. Have them explain the three stage paint process to you as well to ensure you are getting it done right. Base coat of color, mica, then clear coat. If they mix the mica with the base coat then it is two stage and will not look right. This is business and they should make you feel good about their customer service, professionalism, and proper work ethic.

valpac

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Well tried to get pictures last weekend but were closed. The latest is Im still playing the repair/total game with the insurance co. and body shop. Got the insurance estimate for repair (of course) they said $12,566 on a car with a FMV (fair market value) of $28,000 (Doesnt seem very fair to me.) Looking over the item break down they left out some labor charges, some paint, some items and will "blend" (read bondo) panels which need to be replaced. Didn't have bondo before the accident, will not have it after.

Anyway, below the threshold (70% of FMV) to total it. The Dimished value they came up with is based on 10% of FMV ($2805) minus mileage (7%) times the damage modifier for a major damage to structure and panel (75%) equals $1956. Very weak considering the damage in my opinion.

Called the body shop. Preliminary repair estimate is $17,000 and he's not done. I also told him I'd like the motor mounts and drive shaft replaced (Thanks, Aratinga!) He said he'll pass it on. He also said diminished value (approx. 20% of repair costs) will probably be nearer $4000. Not to mention rental costs at $35/day times, say, 90 days ($3150) Ninety days to fix the mess is probably a little ambitious on my part.

My gut feeling is the car WILL total. Conservatively if he finds no more hidden costs (unlikely) and you add the diminished value and rental costs to the the $17000 you get $24,150 which is 86% of FMV. Beyond the threshold the insurance company is talking about.

We'll see. Now I wait some more.

L8APEX

Aratinga, in the pictures of your car, what is that in the trunk? It almost looks like a car cover, but for the life of me I can not figure it out, and I try to every time I see those painful pictures. They pop up all over this forum. I know it is a little off topic, I am just curious.

Valpac, I hope they total your car,it will never be the same with frame damage.

Good luck.

Air Force RX8

They were the car cover...

Aratinga

It's the trunk airbag. It's a new California state safety requirement -- too many illegal aliens were being injured when the trunk they're being smuggled in gets smashed in rear-ender accidents. :D

It's a car cover. I never parked that car out in the open without her blankie.

Even though she's a Frankenstein car now (glass, paint, and body panels that aren't original) I still cover her when she's outside. Old habits are hard to break.

Mindtrip

IF its totalled what do you plan on getting? *****COUGH---STI-----COUGH********

Aratinga

Valpac, I think "blending" may also refer to blending of the paint -- meaning that the new paint on a replaced body panel will be blended into the existing paint on an adjacent original body panel.

The only place they should be using any Bondo would be the cut and weld seams in the C-pillar and along the door sill where they have to cut off the rear quarter panels. Here's a pic of my car during the repair to show where these cuts were made; I absolutely cannot tell where they are now. The new body panel blended into the old one seamlessly.

SilverEIGHT

Valpac, I'm so sorry to hear of you got smacked. I really do sympathize with you and understand exactly what you are going through. Your estimates sound very familiar and your insurance company is acting very similar to the way mine was. There are several things that are going to happen that you need to stay on top of. I will summarize them for you.

1. Make sure your car is covered at the shop. Ask them to put a tarp or plastic over the entire car. The shops tend to not really care too much about water and crap getting into your loved one's interior and other exposed areas.

2. Expect the insurance company to fight you all the way. Never give up and always keep stating that you want a total. Document it from the beginning >>in writing<<. Do it several times. >>Very important<<

3. Take LOTS of photos all the way through the process. Visit her once a week and take pics.

4. Make friends with the guys working on the car. Even though you are completely disgusted with what is going on. If you stay on their good side they will not mind you coming in and checking on her.

5. Expect supplements. You will get different numbers during the process of tear down but until the car is actually totally broken down to start the rebuild, they will not really be able to give you a good price. You can get several supplements up to this point. Then after they start putting it together they will have additional supplements. And when it is "finished" they will find more problems with additional supplements.

6. If you are not satisfied with what your adjuster is telling you. Do not stop there. Go over his head and don't hesitate to send letters to his superior.

My threads are a good lesson in the above. If you have time you may want to read over them. If you want the links I will post them for you.

In the end, 4+ months later, as beachdog mentioned, my insurance company wound up paying over $30,000 to have the car rebuilt and gave up on it and paid me around $29,000 as well. They finally agreed to total the car and that I was right all along. My problem from the beginning was the “Adjuster from Hell”. He quit the insurance company and one week later I had settled for the total with apologies from my insurance company.

Aratinga was so mistreated and I feel for her so much I get sick just thinking about her issue. I wish there was something I could do to help her and you as well. The only thing I have to offer is my experience and I will do anything I can to assist you.

I’m not sure where Dallas is. I’m located in Buford and work in Lawrenceville so if you are close to me and want any help just let me know.

DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT , DOCUMENT!

Aratinga

^^^^EVERYTHING he just said!!
Definitely insist that they cover your car. I requested this many times but no one did anything. With your rear window blown out, all the dust and particulate junk blowing around the bodyshop will end up settling on your interior. All the Piano Black panels in my interior are now permanently etched and clouded from this. They would not replace them.

EandGWZ

Good Luck ...

dknv

Ditto! Especially when it is someone else's fault, and you can't seem to 'get back' to the state you were in before the accident. I wish I were a lawyer. My 2 accident experiences in 2004 has planted a seed in my mind about studying law somehow, in my non-working hours.

In the meantime I think those of us who have gone through this should continue to offer our experience to those who are facing it anew.

I feel very fortunate that I ended up with a total loss on mine. I maintained that 1) structural components were affected; 2) as far as the unibody you can't recreate the manufacturing process (body shop uses plug welds, vs. factory pressure welds) - the stress from the accident stretched and weakened stress points, thereby affecting the future reliability and safety of holding up in another accident; (the flex, torque and crumple characteristics of that re-welded part cannot be guaranteed to be the same); 3) this is a performance-oriented sports car, and it's handling characteristics will no longer be the same due to item 2.

djgiron

Car wrecks really suck, and it is really unfortunate that "insurance" (using that word very lightly) companies are such jerks about everything. My last car was a 92 Nissan Maxima that was rearended. I fought tooth and nail with the ladies insurance company to get it totalled (in my opinion any unibody crumple is a degredation in safety and therefore a total) and when they finally agreed to total it they wanted to offer me wholesale for it. So the arguments started up again as I can not go out and purchase a car for wholesale. Luckily I was engaged to a lawyer at the time and after a letter of intent they gave me what I wanted (which was the average price in Denver for the same car with same options was selling for on 13 differents lots). I just think some sort of reform needs to happen with insurance companies. We are required by law to carry insurance and they are just allowed to screw over the people that pay their wages. It kills me to see the shape of your car, hope everything works out for you. I dont know what I would do if someone rearended my new 8 . . .

SilverEIGHT

In defense of my insurance company, I want to make sure you understand that once I had bypassed the assface adjuster, the company cleared everything up in a week. I am pleased with my company and have no intent on leaving them. As a matter of fact I would refer them to anyone that is interested. If you live in Georgia and want more info... PM me.

valpac

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I stand (or sit) corrected. I re-read the estimate and there is no entry for labor for the BLND entries. I asked the nody shop and they said exactly the same as you stated. Blending of the paint from one panel with older paint to the new paint. No bondo. But read on....

valpac

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Is that the way the STI sounds?

valpac

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Thanks. And thanks for the good info. Preciate it!

BTW, Dallas is 15 miles west of Marietta.

valpac

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I agree. I HATE insurance companies.

And, literally, I cried...

valpac

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I agree with all of those points. Being an engineer myself, I know how deformation degrades metal properties such as strength, hardness and corrosion. I think the insurance company knows that I will really be a difficult client to deal with in the body shop, so today......