My Test Drive of the RX8
08-17-2003, 01:17 PM
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backhanded compliment
I suppose we should consider it a back handed compliment that so many come in here to "bash" the RX8.
Fact is, if those who found the RX8 such a "bad car", why on earth would they be in here in the first place? And why would they feel it to be so neccessary to bash it in this forum when they know the folks here bought it because we found it superior than the rest of the competition?
It's great that some of you bought something else, but the reason the vast majority of us are here is because we love the RX8. Unless jealousy comes into play, maybe?
Fact is, if those who found the RX8 such a "bad car", why on earth would they be in here in the first place? And why would they feel it to be so neccessary to bash it in this forum when they know the folks here bought it because we found it superior than the rest of the competition?
It's great that some of you bought something else, but the reason the vast majority of us are here is because we love the RX8. Unless jealousy comes into play, maybe?
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After reviewing Revhappy's post on the forum since Sept of last year, I am covinced he is an EVO TROLL. Heres a few of his objective quotes from April.
"The RX8 seems (for my tastes) to be too soft and makes too many compromises. IMHO, its design seems to have too much GT mixed in with the sports car mixture. I loved the powerplant and the 50/50 weight distribution, but the relatively softly tuned suspension (compared to the other cars here) and excess weight (for a high reving NA engine) turned me off. "
"I would have purchased the EVO this week, but I need to wait for a garage to become available in my apartment complex (the wait shouldn't be too long). If I haven't bought the EVO by the time the RX8 comes out, I'll give it a test drive, but it will most likely be for entertainment purposes only."
"After driving the EVO back to back with the 350Z and the S2000, the performance (overall) was not comparable. I highly doubt the RX8 will come close. Over on evolutionm.net, I have read a few owners of FDs past and present saying the EVO is quite close to it in performance."
"What road course is this? On the Streets of Willow the RX8 lost to the G35 and the Cobra. Are you seriously suggesting the RX8 will outperform the FD or an EVO on a roadcourse? I highly doubt the RX8 will outdo the EVO in autocross let alone a track that the EVO can use its straightline power advantage in."
"My final decison will be based on back-to back drives between the S2000 (S2200, if it does come out) and the RX8 (hopefully with it being a mass-produced vehicle some will be available for test drives) and perhaps the EVO8 (though I doubt it will be available for test drives anytime soon)."
This is just a few of his predetermined remarks. His underminning BS goes on and on. Read back through last year, it is neat to watch a devious mind weave a webb in what he thought was a subtle way. What goes around comes around, and now all of your post make a lot more sense. GOTCHA
"The RX8 seems (for my tastes) to be too soft and makes too many compromises. IMHO, its design seems to have too much GT mixed in with the sports car mixture. I loved the powerplant and the 50/50 weight distribution, but the relatively softly tuned suspension (compared to the other cars here) and excess weight (for a high reving NA engine) turned me off. "
"I would have purchased the EVO this week, but I need to wait for a garage to become available in my apartment complex (the wait shouldn't be too long). If I haven't bought the EVO by the time the RX8 comes out, I'll give it a test drive, but it will most likely be for entertainment purposes only."
"After driving the EVO back to back with the 350Z and the S2000, the performance (overall) was not comparable. I highly doubt the RX8 will come close. Over on evolutionm.net, I have read a few owners of FDs past and present saying the EVO is quite close to it in performance."
"What road course is this? On the Streets of Willow the RX8 lost to the G35 and the Cobra. Are you seriously suggesting the RX8 will outperform the FD or an EVO on a roadcourse? I highly doubt the RX8 will outdo the EVO in autocross let alone a track that the EVO can use its straightline power advantage in."
"My final decison will be based on back-to back drives between the S2000 (S2200, if it does come out) and the RX8 (hopefully with it being a mass-produced vehicle some will be available for test drives) and perhaps the EVO8 (though I doubt it will be available for test drives anytime soon)."
This is just a few of his predetermined remarks. His underminning BS goes on and on. Read back through last year, it is neat to watch a devious mind weave a webb in what he thought was a subtle way. What goes around comes around, and now all of your post make a lot more sense. GOTCHA
08-17-2003, 01:32 PM
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Oh great, anyone who doesn't pick the RX-8 as first choice gets labeled as a troll. Great objective evaluation here~ Is it wrong to expect more from the RX8 forum?
Also, Herc it's been months since you got humiliated on FA and also here for being a RX8 troll, let it go already. Your bitterness only demonstrates your sore loser mentality and ignorance toward valid arguments and counter points. It's quite amazing to see a moderator with such attitude these days. Take all the cheap shot at me you want, it still won't make your first choice car any faster or more fun to drive. So be it if you are still insecure about your final choice. All you ever post is either 'so and so is a troll for they don't agree with me' or 'power is not important and neither is track time, so long as it's fun to drive'.... I am pretty sure we can make a Herc-bot program that can do that.
Also, Herc it's been months since you got humiliated on FA and also here for being a RX8 troll, let it go already. Your bitterness only demonstrates your sore loser mentality and ignorance toward valid arguments and counter points. It's quite amazing to see a moderator with such attitude these days. Take all the cheap shot at me you want, it still won't make your first choice car any faster or more fun to drive. So be it if you are still insecure about your final choice. All you ever post is either 'so and so is a troll for they don't agree with me' or 'power is not important and neither is track time, so long as it's fun to drive'.... I am pretty sure we can make a Herc-bot program that can do that.
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08-17-2003, 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Hercules
Touche... but I had been driving other cars up until the RX-8 and when I did.... i was very pleased.
To each his own.
I think the odd thing is that you make mention of the items that are deemed pretty good, like the shifter, as being poor. Now that may be your personal feel of it since you're used to the Evo shifter (which is subpar, imo but I digress). Most reviews and people will give the credit on that to the RX-8. I think that's why your review is getting flack.
Touche... but I had been driving other cars up until the RX-8 and when I did.... i was very pleased.
To each his own.
I think the odd thing is that you make mention of the items that are deemed pretty good, like the shifter, as being poor. Now that may be your personal feel of it since you're used to the Evo shifter (which is subpar, imo but I digress). Most reviews and people will give the credit on that to the RX-8. I think that's why your review is getting flack.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Hercules
Besides, if I went to the Evo forums and told them about how the Evo was a subpar car, then they wouldn't take too kindly to it either. This is why I just find it pointless you even stick around here.. you got your car, and nothing from you thus far has brought about interesting debate, only flames from both sides (the RX-8 owners et al), and really provides a poor platform for discussion. [/QUOTE]
THe difference is that I've been on this forum long before I even considered buying an EVO. My impression of it (before I drove it) would be that it would be a more powerful version of the WRX (which, I did not like and actually preferred the more RX8-like RSX-S and Celica GTS) and that it would suck gas like an SUV. I've been posting on this forum for a year (and lurking for 6 months prior to that), which is a bit different than you going onto a forum and slamming the car on your 1st post.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Hercules
I checked out the Infiniti G35C, ruled it out yet, I don't stay on the FreshAlloy forums putting the car down like you (and Skyline and others) do. I have the sense to leave and chat about the car I chose. Perhaps you'd do the same. Then again, given the stubbornness of the trolls (and it's not been you but others), they won't ever leave because they have nothing better to do, and love that attention that mommy never gave them (Skyline et al). [/QUOTE]
So anyone having a negative view towards the RX8 is a troll? I'm sorry, but there are a lot of people that have been disappointed by the RX8. Its performance is below expectations (remember last Fall when many people thought it would be superior to the S2000 in all performance categories??), the improved fuel economy and its "clean" emissions never really came to fruition. I can go on and on, but to me it was dissapointing.
Look, I like a lot of what the RX8 has to offer. High-reving engine, great suspension, fantastic brakes, some great lines. I just think they made too many compromises. Since I thnk Mazda monitors this forum, perhaps if enough people speak up we might get a better version of the RX8 one day.
08-17-2003, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
Impulsive Revhappy wrote "BTW..how would an RX8 owner's retrospective review fall on this bias scale?"
Revhappy, I did not give a restrospective review for all to see how biased I was, YOU DID. I objectively reviewed for myself all cars I was considering prior to forking over 30K. YOU are the one that DORKED over 25K on a hunch. Now obviously, you have to build up your decision by bashing something you did not objectively evaluate before the purchase. I did my homework, you did your homework late, so it doesn't count. Try and enjoy your impulsive decision. I am truly enjoying my well thought out, and totally objective decision.
Impulsive Revhappy wrote "BTW..how would an RX8 owner's retrospective review fall on this bias scale?"
Revhappy, I did not give a restrospective review for all to see how biased I was, YOU DID. I objectively reviewed for myself all cars I was considering prior to forking over 30K. YOU are the one that DORKED over 25K on a hunch. Now obviously, you have to build up your decision by bashing something you did not objectively evaluate before the purchase. I did my homework, you did your homework late, so it doesn't count. Try and enjoy your impulsive decision. I am truly enjoying my well thought out, and totally objective decision.
BTW.. I spent almost 3 years making this decison (following the RX8 for 2 of them), if that's impulsive then so be it!!!
08-17-2003, 01:59 PM
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Re: backhanded compliment
Originally posted by graphicguy
I suppose we should consider it a back handed compliment that so many come in here to "bash" the RX8.
Fact is, if those who found the RX8 such a "bad car", why on earth would they be in here in the first place? And why would they feel it to be so neccessary to bash it in this forum when they know the folks here bought it because we found it superior than the rest of the competition?
It's great that some of you bought something else, but the reason the vast majority of us are here is because we love the RX8. Unless jealousy comes into play, maybe?
I suppose we should consider it a back handed compliment that so many come in here to "bash" the RX8.
Fact is, if those who found the RX8 such a "bad car", why on earth would they be in here in the first place? And why would they feel it to be so neccessary to bash it in this forum when they know the folks here bought it because we found it superior than the rest of the competition?
It's great that some of you bought something else, but the reason the vast majority of us are here is because we love the RX8. Unless jealousy comes into play, maybe?
08-17-2003, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
After reviewing Revhappy's post on the forum since Sept of last year, I am covinced he is an EVO TROLL. Heres a few of his objective quotes from April.
"The RX8 seems (for my tastes) to be too soft and makes too many compromises. IMHO, its design seems to have too much GT mixed in with the sports car mixture. I loved the powerplant and the 50/50 weight distribution, but the relatively softly tuned suspension (compared to the other cars here) and excess weight (for a high reving NA engine) turned me off. "
"I would have purchased the EVO this week, but I need to wait for a garage to become available in my apartment complex (the wait shouldn't be too long). If I haven't bought the EVO by the time the RX8 comes out, I'll give it a test drive, but it will most likely be for entertainment purposes only."
"After driving the EVO back to back with the 350Z and the S2000, the performance (overall) was not comparable. I highly doubt the RX8 will come close. Over on evolutionm.net, I have read a few owners of FDs past and present saying the EVO is quite close to it in performance."
"What road course is this? On the Streets of Willow the RX8 lost to the G35 and the Cobra. Are you seriously suggesting the RX8 will outperform the FD or an EVO on a roadcourse? I highly doubt the RX8 will outdo the EVO in autocross let alone a track that the EVO can use its straightline power advantage in."
"My final decison will be based on back-to back drives between the S2000 (S2200, if it does come out) and the RX8 (hopefully with it being a mass-produced vehicle some will be available for test drives) and perhaps the EVO8 (though I doubt it will be available for test drives anytime soon)."
This is just a few of his predetermined remarks. His underminning BS goes on and on. Read back through last year, it is neat to watch a devious mind weave a webb in what he thought was a subtle way. What goes around comes around, and now all of your post make a lot more sense. GOTCHA
After reviewing Revhappy's post on the forum since Sept of last year, I am covinced he is an EVO TROLL. Heres a few of his objective quotes from April.
"The RX8 seems (for my tastes) to be too soft and makes too many compromises. IMHO, its design seems to have too much GT mixed in with the sports car mixture. I loved the powerplant and the 50/50 weight distribution, but the relatively softly tuned suspension (compared to the other cars here) and excess weight (for a high reving NA engine) turned me off. "
"I would have purchased the EVO this week, but I need to wait for a garage to become available in my apartment complex (the wait shouldn't be too long). If I haven't bought the EVO by the time the RX8 comes out, I'll give it a test drive, but it will most likely be for entertainment purposes only."
"After driving the EVO back to back with the 350Z and the S2000, the performance (overall) was not comparable. I highly doubt the RX8 will come close. Over on evolutionm.net, I have read a few owners of FDs past and present saying the EVO is quite close to it in performance."
"What road course is this? On the Streets of Willow the RX8 lost to the G35 and the Cobra. Are you seriously suggesting the RX8 will outperform the FD or an EVO on a roadcourse? I highly doubt the RX8 will outdo the EVO in autocross let alone a track that the EVO can use its straightline power advantage in."
"My final decison will be based on back-to back drives between the S2000 (S2200, if it does come out) and the RX8 (hopefully with it being a mass-produced vehicle some will be available for test drives) and perhaps the EVO8 (though I doubt it will be available for test drives anytime soon)."
This is just a few of his predetermined remarks. His underminning BS goes on and on. Read back through last year, it is neat to watch a devious mind weave a webb in what he thought was a subtle way. What goes around comes around, and now all of your post make a lot more sense. GOTCHA
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/Web...C.2@.ef067e7/0
So how long have you been following the RX8??
08-17-2003, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Lensman
Too sweeping. Just because you're angry don't trash the whole forum.
Too sweeping. Just because you're angry don't trash the whole forum.
08-17-2003, 03:27 PM
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So the fact that you drove and S2000, and in your eyes they were so similar, that no test drive of the RX8 was required, and you could elliminate both the S2000 and RX8 with one test drive. Well that explains how you logically got to the EVO, sorry for the misunderstanding.
08-17-2003, 03:45 PM
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Don't worry Skyline I don't need to resort to your tactics and return to get involved in debates that are one-sided... because one side doesn't want to hear the other. I guess the same is true here.
If I went to the G35 forums and said the G35C is an understeering overweight piece of crap with a terrible shifter... then I'd likely get flamed too. And then I could easily assume the position you're in saying "oh if I don't like it then I am a troll?"
It's very similar; ever since you started comng here there hasn't been one bit of information aside from you being a salesperson for Infiniti. I like the G35C and was going to buy it until I drove the RX-8 and found it to be a better car for me. Your constant nagging of "don't buy the RX-8 because the G35C can do <insert trait here>" type of attitude has made you generally unwelcome. Perhaps you should return to the G35 forums where you can bash on the RX-8 and nobody will care -- oh wait, you've already done that.
If you are here to give out some information which you've done in the past and I do appreciate, then stay, join in. But if you're here to sell us on the G35 then you're really not going to get far, just my $.02.
If I went to the G35 forums and said the G35C is an understeering overweight piece of crap with a terrible shifter... then I'd likely get flamed too. And then I could easily assume the position you're in saying "oh if I don't like it then I am a troll?"
It's very similar; ever since you started comng here there hasn't been one bit of information aside from you being a salesperson for Infiniti. I like the G35C and was going to buy it until I drove the RX-8 and found it to be a better car for me. Your constant nagging of "don't buy the RX-8 because the G35C can do <insert trait here>" type of attitude has made you generally unwelcome. Perhaps you should return to the G35 forums where you can bash on the RX-8 and nobody will care -- oh wait, you've already done that.
If you are here to give out some information which you've done in the past and I do appreciate, then stay, join in. But if you're here to sell us on the G35 then you're really not going to get far, just my $.02.
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Well I'm new to the board and I took my first test drive of the new RX8 yesterday afternoon. Personnally I liked the car alot. I took it on a few backroads and then jumped on the interstate and got up to about 120 in 4th. Overall the ride was a little rougher than I was expecting but I liked the linear throttle response and just the way I felt in the car. I've never driven the Evo 8 but I plan to soon. To me the Evo 8 screams, "To fast to Furious" and I think I would feel like a teenager driving it. To me the Rx8 has a more sophisticated feel to it. I currently drive a 2000 Type R and nothing shifts as well as it, but I get tired of every riceboy in the world reving on me and my wife when we go out. So I've been looking for something that'll set me apart from everyone else and I think the Rx8 might be that car. It brought back alot of memories when I drove a 79 Rx7 back in highschool. I loved that car other than the constant oil leaks but it was alot fun. Thanks for letting me ramble and everyone is entitled to their opinion but just remember don't go on certain car forums and jump on that particular model and then act surprised when people get ticked.
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I also spent quite a bit of time with both the G35 (as well as the excellent M45) and the 350Z. I even spent some time with the WRX (not the same league as the 350Z/G35 or the RX8 IMHO). First test drive of the RX8, it was game, set, match....game over. RX8 is in my garage.
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revhappy -
good review. It's rare today that people can look at a car in a clear and unbiased way. I too was disappointed in the RX8 and felt that it's about 50 hp shy of a homerun.
Also, its unfortunate that "Fast n' the Furious" could taint one of the best performance machines of the last 10 years. We finally get the EVO over here and everyone dumps on it's compromises.
And to those that think revhappy is a troll. Wake up and realize that the RX8 is only a car and it has faults like any other. No car is perfect, every car has its compromises.
good review. It's rare today that people can look at a car in a clear and unbiased way. I too was disappointed in the RX8 and felt that it's about 50 hp shy of a homerun.
Also, its unfortunate that "Fast n' the Furious" could taint one of the best performance machines of the last 10 years. We finally get the EVO over here and everyone dumps on it's compromises.
And to those that think revhappy is a troll. Wake up and realize that the RX8 is only a car and it has faults like any other. No car is perfect, every car has its compromises.
08-18-2003, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by AbusiveWombat
revhappy -
good review. It's rare today that people can look at a car in a clear and unbiased way. I too was disappointed in the RX8 and felt that it's about 50 hp shy of a homerun.
Also, its unfortunate that "Fast n' the Furious" could taint one of the best performance machines of the last 10 years. We finally get the EVO over here and everyone dumps on it's compromises.
And to those that think revhappy is a troll. Wake up and realize that the RX8 is only a car and it has faults like any other. No car is perfect, every car has its compromises.
revhappy -
good review. It's rare today that people can look at a car in a clear and unbiased way. I too was disappointed in the RX8 and felt that it's about 50 hp shy of a homerun.
Also, its unfortunate that "Fast n' the Furious" could taint one of the best performance machines of the last 10 years. We finally get the EVO over here and everyone dumps on it's compromises.
And to those that think revhappy is a troll. Wake up and realize that the RX8 is only a car and it has faults like any other. No car is perfect, every car has its compromises.
It really is a shame that people will slam the EVO as a "Fast N' the Furrious" car. I don't remember many races in the twisty backroads in that movie (the place it was desinged to drive). They can ingore it all want, it'll just increase my resale value and make it easier to trade up for a later version (a FQ-300 , Extreme or RS Sprint Please) :D BTW...How is your EVO? I've had mine for a month and its a blast.
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Scooby & Evo
I could never buy either of these cars.
There's just something "10 pints of beer and a fight" about them.
They're ugly, no, vulgar, yes that's exactly it, vulgar. Like showing yer **** in the supermarket !
No style, no class, no design.
I'd always feel I had to look "hard" when driving it !
There's just something "10 pints of beer and a fight" about them.
They're ugly, no, vulgar, yes that's exactly it, vulgar. Like showing yer **** in the supermarket !
No style, no class, no design.
I'd always feel I had to look "hard" when driving it !
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I hate it when people bash the Evo, or STi. They are all go and very little show, and that's prettymuch oposite of what FnF is about. Both are some of the best handling sportscars ever produced, and are remarkable performers for their price. They both also have a proven history of racing and to put things in perspective the WRC is bigger in most european countries than NASCAR is here.
Watch some WRC events and it's tough to not get hooked on these cars, I'm not a big creature comforts kind of guy... I want the basics, everything else after that takes a back seat to performance. Those monster wings are there for a reason, I don't like em much but I'll live with it if I ever trade in my WRX for one. I personally think the Evo and STi are beautiful cars in their own way, most of their beauty is brought on by the fact that they don't have to look fast, they just are fast.
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Watch some WRC events and it's tough to not get hooked on these cars, I'm not a big creature comforts kind of guy... I want the basics, everything else after that takes a back seat to performance. Those monster wings are there for a reason, I don't like em much but I'll live with it if I ever trade in my WRX for one. I personally think the Evo and STi are beautiful cars in their own way, most of their beauty is brought on by the fact that they don't have to look fast, they just are fast.
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
I hate it when people bash the Evo, or STi. They are all go and very little show, and that's prettymuch oposite of what FnF is about. Both are some of the best handling sportscars ever produced, and are remarkable performers for their price. They both also have a proven history of racing and to put things in perspective the WRC is bigger in most european countries than NASCAR is here.
Watch some WRC events and it's tough to not get hooked on these cars, I'm not a big creature comforts kind of guy... I want the basics, everything else after that takes a back seat to performance. Those monster wings are there for a reason, I don't like em much but I'll live with it if I ever trade in my WRX for one. I personally think the Evo and STi are beautiful cars in their own way, most of their beauty is brought on by the fact that they don't have to look fast, they just are fast.
Ike
I hate it when people bash the Evo, or STi. They are all go and very little show, and that's prettymuch oposite of what FnF is about. Both are some of the best handling sportscars ever produced, and are remarkable performers for their price. They both also have a proven history of racing and to put things in perspective the WRC is bigger in most european countries than NASCAR is here.
Watch some WRC events and it's tough to not get hooked on these cars, I'm not a big creature comforts kind of guy... I want the basics, everything else after that takes a back seat to performance. Those monster wings are there for a reason, I don't like em much but I'll live with it if I ever trade in my WRX for one. I personally think the Evo and STi are beautiful cars in their own way, most of their beauty is brought on by the fact that they don't have to look fast, they just are fast.
Ike
. If I'm rich enough to get a second car, I'd probably be deciding between the STi or Evo. But at this time, I'm just not hardcore enough to settle for a daily driven car that doesn't offer a much better balance between comfort, performance, and style.
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Originally posted by revhappy
BTW...How is your EVO? I've had mine for a month and its a blast.
BTW...How is your EVO? I've had mine for a month and its a blast.
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Originally posted by AbusiveWombat
The EVO's great. I'm starting to get the mod bug seeing all these guys getting 40-80whp for less than $2000. Gotta love a turbo for easy horsepower.
The EVO's great. I'm starting to get the mod bug seeing all these guys getting 40-80whp for less than $2000. Gotta love a turbo for easy horsepower.
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Reviews are always subjective. It's based on preference. Obviously, the person who started this thread prefers power. Glad you like the Evo.
The looks of the RX8 may not appeal to some, but it does to me and other RX8 owners. The Evo does not appeal to me at all, as in - I will not even give the Evo a second thought. But that's just me .. another subjective reviewer. To each his/her own.
The looks of the RX8 may not appeal to some, but it does to me and other RX8 owners. The Evo does not appeal to me at all, as in - I will not even give the Evo a second thought. But that's just me .. another subjective reviewer. To each his/her own.