My plan to address the power issue
08-29-2003, 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Peter Sawko
What are my car options? While we complain about 238 I haven't found another car at this price point that offers more than 220.
What are my car options? While we complain about 238 I haven't found another car at this price point that offers more than 220.
08-29-2003, 03:53 PM
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I was watching the TechTv show TechLive. On the bottom of the screen they have a scrolling extra info section at the bottom.
I just so happend they mentioned the rx-8 and the fact that it is now being rated at less than advertised rates. At the end of the tid-bit of info it said "mazda blames the power loss on an emission tweek"
I just so happend they mentioned the rx-8 and the fact that it is now being rated at less than advertised rates. At the end of the tid-bit of info it said "mazda blames the power loss on an emission tweek"
08-29-2003, 04:36 PM
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What about escalating the level of contact at MNAO beyond "customer service representative?
I just got the dealer survey letter signed Peter Whaley, Vice President of Sales Operations for MNAO.
I just got the dealer survey letter signed Peter Whaley, Vice President of Sales Operations for MNAO.
08-30-2003, 12:04 AM
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Wow, it's been a month or so since I've checked in here and am I ever glad i moved on from getting the RX-8. The power deficit is just plain crap. I was getting my Miata serviced yesterday and I noticed the dealership now has 3 RX-8s sitting idly on the lot. This is a debacle in the making.
08-30-2003, 09:51 AM
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Yesterday I checked the forum about this topic on HP and your quest for answers. What I found was a few other tidbits that are related - one being the emissions test done by an owner in TN. They mentioned that the car is emitting - 0 emmisions. I believe that the wisdom here, on this site has already determined that:
If the car is producing 250ps in Japan accurately measured and all things are equal then the only possible difference must be in the emmisions/computer/ECU system.
One point though that I find as great news to owners and I continue to post about is the benefical results using REGULAR gas. I am not being cheap (used premium for the last 7 years) but I found that THIS CAR likes that grade of gas. hmm. At $0.20 a gallon savings that is fantastic - about $3.00 a tank. We may not have the answers from Mazda but amongst those in the forum, we can find a great many things out. I appreciate this site GREATLY and am learning so MUCH. We do need to clear out the nasty crap - it scares people. Negativity spreads much faster than positive (it seems) and we do need to enjoy our cars more. BTW - THEY ARE SELLING HERE< THEY KEEP GETTING IN NEW ONES!!!!
If the car is producing 250ps in Japan accurately measured and all things are equal then the only possible difference must be in the emmisions/computer/ECU system.
One point though that I find as great news to owners and I continue to post about is the benefical results using REGULAR gas. I am not being cheap (used premium for the last 7 years) but I found that THIS CAR likes that grade of gas. hmm. At $0.20 a gallon savings that is fantastic - about $3.00 a tank. We may not have the answers from Mazda but amongst those in the forum, we can find a great many things out. I appreciate this site GREATLY and am learning so MUCH. We do need to clear out the nasty crap - it scares people. Negativity spreads much faster than positive (it seems) and we do need to enjoy our cars more. BTW - THEY ARE SELLING HERE< THEY KEEP GETTING IN NEW ONES!!!!
08-30-2003, 01:05 PM
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Good luck BOOSTD 7, I applaud your leadership and commitment. As someone who HAS been (occasionally) negative over the last few weeks I look forward to reading the truth at last (all being well). I think a lot of the hysteria has been repressed shock: we all have a massive investment in this car (and I don't mean financial) and the uncertainty and bad news was not good for the soul. I think I can speak for all the UK pre-orderers when I express our deep desire to discover the facts BEFORE we (eventually) get our cars.
08-31-2003, 10:35 AM
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What they should do is let us know all of the secret peculiarities of the car, such as alternate ECU mappings, throttle restrictions during break-in, dyno do's and don'ts, etc. Maybe even comment on some of the members' posted dyno results. I think that would make a lot of us satisfied.
Honestly, I'm quite baffled by owner reaction to all this. My '91 Coupe has a whopping 160 horsepower! I dearly want an RX-8, but not because it has/had/will someday have 238hp, but because I like the whole concept of it, think it was executed extremely well and, to top it off, it's rotary powered.
I also like the Celica and if I ever bought one, it wouldn't be because I compared owner's dyno results with the claims of Toyota!
If you own an RX-8, do yourself a favour and get out there and just enjoy the darn thing! Some people here are extremely jealous, whether you have 247hp or 238!
08-31-2003, 07:18 PM
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Some info I have gotten from various JDM forums and magazines:
1) Power of JDM Type S RX-8 seems to be making right around 200ps. Havn't seen too many user dynos, mostly magazine and tuner news. The 210ps model is surprising a lot of people in its performance. The additional torque down low is reported as pretty noticeable.
2) Common problems: A/C not strong enough, Check engine light, oil level light, and the 250ps model doesn't seem stronger than 210ps model. People also complain a lot about the lack of heat insulation in the passenger cabin.
3) Fuel issues: From reading a bunch of user reports, the fuel efficiency ranged anywhere between 13mpg to around 19mpg, the average is around 16-17mpg. Most complain about the gas milage worse than anticipation, as they were expecting 20+mpg. City driving yields 13-14, and highway yields 19-20mpg.
Big shout out to da brotherhood across Pacific~
btw: in case anyone is wondering, the official secret sign of the RX crowd is the rotary symbol. Don't do this while you are driving, since you need both hands to form the rotary shape.
1) Power of JDM Type S RX-8 seems to be making right around 200ps. Havn't seen too many user dynos, mostly magazine and tuner news. The 210ps model is surprising a lot of people in its performance. The additional torque down low is reported as pretty noticeable.
2) Common problems: A/C not strong enough, Check engine light, oil level light, and the 250ps model doesn't seem stronger than 210ps model. People also complain a lot about the lack of heat insulation in the passenger cabin.
3) Fuel issues: From reading a bunch of user reports, the fuel efficiency ranged anywhere between 13mpg to around 19mpg, the average is around 16-17mpg. Most complain about the gas milage worse than anticipation, as they were expecting 20+mpg. City driving yields 13-14, and highway yields 19-20mpg.
Big shout out to da brotherhood across Pacific~
btw: in case anyone is wondering, the official secret sign of the RX crowd is the rotary symbol. Don't do this while you are driving, since you need both hands to form the rotary shape.
08-31-2003, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by rxse7en
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Oh well at least the HP numbers are going up by one. That is a positive step :D
09-01-2003, 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by loungeliz
Man I can't keep up with this stuff. Now there is a 239hp controversy! First Mazda drops HP from 247 to 238.... Now this 239hp controversy...
Oh well at least the HP numbers are going up by one. That is a positive step :D
Man I can't keep up with this stuff. Now there is a 239hp controversy! First Mazda drops HP from 247 to 238.... Now this 239hp controversy...
Oh well at least the HP numbers are going up by one. That is a positive step :D
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09-01-2003, 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
...Big shout out to da brotherhood across Pacific~
btw: in case anyone is wondering, the official secret sign of the RX crowd is the rotary symbol. Don't do this while you are driving, since you need both hands to form the rotary shape.
...Big shout out to da brotherhood across Pacific~
btw: in case anyone is wondering, the official secret sign of the RX crowd is the rotary symbol. Don't do this while you are driving, since you need both hands to form the rotary shape.
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...2277#post92277 (my 8/7 post...)
Live long and rotor!
09-02-2003, 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Kev
OK, so who is going to pick up the handle STARTRX8 after that little Spockism them??? Hmmm???? :D :D :D
OK, so who is going to pick up the handle STARTRX8 after that little Spockism them??? Hmmm???? :D :D :D
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...8080#post58080
(Don't read the whole thread since I made somewhat of an a$$ of myself there. Not a good way to break-in to a new forum.)
You however might want the handle STARWARX8 since you seem to posess some Mighty Yoda within you.
Hmmm????:D :D :D :p
09-02-2003, 10:24 AM
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You however might want the handle STARWARX8 since you seem to posess some Mighty Yoda within you.
...and OhBigOneTheNobbi is way too long!
09-02-2003, 06:40 PM
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Has anyone actually seen an improvement in mileage or performance after 2000 miles. There have to be a few past that mark by now.
The fuel issue bothers me since the car was built to be practical, but I just see this as an opportunity to get one real cheap. There are eight and counting at my local dealer.
The fuel issue bothers me since the car was built to be practical, but I just see this as an opportunity to get one real cheap. There are eight and counting at my local dealer.
09-02-2003, 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by jdwk
Has anyone actually seen an improvement in mileage or performance after 2000 miles. There have to be a few past that mark by now.
The fuel issue bothers me since the car was built to be practical, but I just see this as an opportunity to get one real cheap. There are eight and counting at my local dealer.
Has anyone actually seen an improvement in mileage or performance after 2000 miles. There have to be a few past that mark by now.
The fuel issue bothers me since the car was built to be practical, but I just see this as an opportunity to get one real cheap. There are eight and counting at my local dealer.
09-03-2003, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Edge
Yes and yes. Mileage is getting better I've gotten over 22 MPG on mostly highway at 80 MPH. And it now pulls strongly to redline with a surge after about 7500. There is a noticeable plateau in the 7000-7500 range with a strong pull right after. I'm guessing that's turbulence caused by a couple valves opening around 7250.
Yes and yes. Mileage is getting better I've gotten over 22 MPG on mostly highway at 80 MPH. And it now pulls strongly to redline with a surge after about 7500. There is a noticeable plateau in the 7000-7500 range with a strong pull right after. I'm guessing that's turbulence caused by a couple valves opening around 7250.
09-03-2003, 06:32 PM
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No-Brainer
247, 238 ... whatever.
I just got back from an 800 mile (each way) road trip over the long weekend from Phoenix to Texas and back.
Wow, what a great car! The trip ranged from 1100 ft altitude to 7500 ft and long Interstate 40 straights to winding two lane mountain roads, day and night. I never did figure out how fast I could take the turns as the car has more courage than I do. It seemed effortless to do 30 Mph above posted curve limits.
When I got home yesterday after 800 miles in 12 hours (including stops and meals), I was still having fun.
Then, I checked the mail, and there it was ... "The Letter".
Duh ... no brainer. I signed it just so I could DRIVE to the post office!!!!
$500 and free service is just icing on the cake.
BTW with the help of Escort Passport 8500 and due vigilance I made it across New Mexico ... fast ... TWICE with only two near misses. For those not familiar with the "Land of Enchantment" (New Mexico) ... Quite a feat!
I just got back from an 800 mile (each way) road trip over the long weekend from Phoenix to Texas and back.
Wow, what a great car! The trip ranged from 1100 ft altitude to 7500 ft and long Interstate 40 straights to winding two lane mountain roads, day and night. I never did figure out how fast I could take the turns as the car has more courage than I do. It seemed effortless to do 30 Mph above posted curve limits.
When I got home yesterday after 800 miles in 12 hours (including stops and meals), I was still having fun.
Then, I checked the mail, and there it was ... "The Letter".
Duh ... no brainer. I signed it just so I could DRIVE to the post office!!!!
$500 and free service is just icing on the cake.
BTW with the help of Escort Passport 8500 and due vigilance I made it across New Mexico ... fast ... TWICE with only two near misses. For those not familiar with the "Land of Enchantment" (New Mexico) ... Quite a feat!
