My plan to address the power issue
08-26-2003, 05:27 PM
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My plan to address the power issue
All this ignorance about the power issue with the 8 is driving me crazy. I plan to end the debate, one way or the other. Here's how I plan on doing so.
1) I'm going to make every effort to get the real dyno's and time slip's used by Mazda when they tested and changed the hp to 238
2) I'm going to get a real, technical explination from someone in Mazda about why the power was lost.
3) I'm going to find out if there is an ECU break-in period, and if we can expect more power after the ECU flips. And find out if this explains the ragged dyno sheets after 6250 rpm. Also try to get an example of a dyno after the ECU flip, assuming there is one.
4) Perform evaluations on at least 3 cars using the drag-strip, an accelerometer based measuring device (probably the one from Passport), and a chassis dyno.
I plan on having all this ready and printed in the first issue of RX Tuner magazine that will be printed by the 3rd week of Sept. I really want to put this to rest, and hope that my testing will result in positively. However, if the results are bad, I will report that too.
In the meantime, I'm going to clamp down on all the speculation and ignorant talk that's going on. If I see somebody with no 'real' knowledge presenting their opinions in an argumentative way, as if they know what they're talk about, I will delete the post without explination. It's been covered, 1000 times. From now on I want FACTS!
Consider yourself warned. If I have to do this repeatedly, I have no problem with banning problem users.
1) I'm going to make every effort to get the real dyno's and time slip's used by Mazda when they tested and changed the hp to 238
2) I'm going to get a real, technical explination from someone in Mazda about why the power was lost.
3) I'm going to find out if there is an ECU break-in period, and if we can expect more power after the ECU flips. And find out if this explains the ragged dyno sheets after 6250 rpm. Also try to get an example of a dyno after the ECU flip, assuming there is one.
4) Perform evaluations on at least 3 cars using the drag-strip, an accelerometer based measuring device (probably the one from Passport), and a chassis dyno.
I plan on having all this ready and printed in the first issue of RX Tuner magazine that will be printed by the 3rd week of Sept. I really want to put this to rest, and hope that my testing will result in positively. However, if the results are bad, I will report that too.
In the meantime, I'm going to clamp down on all the speculation and ignorant talk that's going on. If I see somebody with no 'real' knowledge presenting their opinions in an argumentative way, as if they know what they're talk about, I will delete the post without explination. It's been covered, 1000 times. From now on I want FACTS!
Consider yourself warned. If I have to do this repeatedly, I have no problem with banning problem users.
08-26-2003, 05:41 PM
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Let's hope you get some honest answers from Mazda, one way or another. I think your curiosity speaks for most people here, current or possible owners.
You should make this a sticky for a while.
You should make this a sticky for a while.
08-26-2003, 05:43 PM
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Re: My plan to address the power issue
Originally posted by BOOSTD 7
I plan on having all this ready and printed in the first issue of RX Tuner magazine that will be printed by the 3rd week of Sept. I really want to put this to rest, and hope that my testing will result in positively. However, if the results are bad, I will report that too.
I plan on having all this ready and printed in the first issue of RX Tuner magazine that will be printed by the 3rd week of Sept. I really want to put this to rest, and hope that my testing will result in positively. However, if the results are bad, I will report that too.
08-26-2003, 07:01 PM
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Thanks, BOOSTD. I'm not satisfied by the various explanations for the "strange" dyno results that have been posted, and it seems like your plan will answer my concerns one way or another. I'm grateful to you for taking on the job.
08-26-2003, 07:11 PM
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Yes dude! Let's clean up OUR forum form trolls and idiot posts. I don't care if people want to be negative about the 8 -- I myself have posted pluses and minuses, postivie and negative experiences . . . but with tact, respect, and thought!
These guys are just saying the sky is falling as if there is a $10,000 error with the car.
I have not decided what to do with the 2 options either, but for God sakes I am still "thinking" about it, not being a cyber-moron
These guys are just saying the sky is falling as if there is a $10,000 error with the car.
I have not decided what to do with the 2 options either, but for God sakes I am still "thinking" about it, not being a cyber-moron
08-26-2003, 08:01 PM
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if i (or my car) can be be of any help in any way let me know Boostd. saturday i start a trip into cali down to monterey and then back up the coast thru San Fran back up into Oregon. ill be back the following sunday to check in on the forum.
08-26-2003, 08:10 PM
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Ryan, I suggest getting with Berny Herrera, President/Director of the SoCalRX club(Event organizer of Sevenstock6). He's the local liason with mucho MNAO contacts and he could likely streamline the requests.
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks. Ryan PM me if you need his digits, but I'm sure you've got them. I'll forward your post to the SoCal group also. Let's douse this fire before it tosses a stink-bomb on the premiere annual US rotary event.
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks. Ryan PM me if you need his digits, but I'm sure you've got them. I'll forward your post to the SoCal group also. Let's douse this fire before it tosses a stink-bomb on the premiere annual US rotary event.
08-26-2003, 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Toadman
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks.
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks.
08-26-2003, 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Toadman
Ryan, I suggest getting with Berny Herrera, President/Director of the SoCalRX club(Event organizer of Sevenstock6). He's the local liason with mucho MNAO contacts and he could likely streamline the requests.
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks. Ryan PM me if you need his digits, but I'm sure you've got them. I'll forward your post to the SoCal group also. Let's douse this fire before it tosses a stink-bomb on the premiere annual US rotary event.
Ryan, I suggest getting with Berny Herrera, President/Director of the SoCalRX club(Event organizer of Sevenstock6). He's the local liason with mucho MNAO contacts and he could likely streamline the requests.
I'd like to see this issue die down before Sevenstock6 and the witch-hunt mobs come at Mazda with torches and pitchforks. Ryan PM me if you need his digits, but I'm sure you've got them. I'll forward your post to the SoCal group also. Let's douse this fire before it tosses a stink-bomb on the premiere annual US rotary event.
This site gets a lot of mazdausa visibility, it's a powerful leveraging stick. I plan to use that to get the info that all of us so badly want.
08-26-2003, 09:13 PM
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Thanks very much my pathetic e-mails and numerous calls to mazda do nothing to help the issue. All i get is some type of customer service rep that only knows what they are told to say. Hell i found the(Supposed fax number to mazda motor corps R@D facility in Yokohama Heres the small ammount of info i have found. I hope it helps a little.
Name of Organization MAZDA MOTOR CORPORATION Mazda R&D Center Yokohama
(Abbreviated name) MRY
Foundation Date 1987.6.
Address 2-5 Moriya-cho,Kanagawa-ku,Yokohama-shi,Kanagawa,221-0022,Japan
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Name of Organization MAZDA MOTOR CORPORATION Mazda R&D Center Yokohama
(Abbreviated name) MRY
Foundation Date 1987.6.
Address 2-5 Moriya-cho,Kanagawa-ku,Yokohama-shi,Kanagawa,221-0022,Japan
Tel +81-45-461-1211
Fax +81-45-461-1211
Main Activities
Investigation to market trends in the Tokyo
metro politan area and to create concepts for future
Products through research on leading-edge technology.
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Area of Site 35,474.00m2
Area of Buildings 23,032.00m2
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08-26-2003, 09:14 PM
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Thanks again from a lot of us. I'll hold back my options until this is exposed fully. Maybe a call to MNAO to affirm my "no position without a technical explanation, with the buy back option a real possibility without that explanation". All of your questions here deserve addressing.
Where's the line for that first issue?
Where's the line for that first issue?