dmp

GREAT conversation about rx8 vs. MS3

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...hlight=edmonds

theclaytaurus

Pah! I disagree.

Ike

I'd suggest you learn the difference between a coupe and a sedan... Also, your pics are obnoxiously large and have made the thread difficult to read for a lot of people.

zoom44

fixed his image problem.

SayNoToPistons

iTrader: (8)

The ****? thats a freaking compact sedan.

RX8Dragon

sedan is wat i meant to say, thnx for the correction...

Cattywampus

I'm pretty sure thats what he was talking about. He never mentioned around a track only faster. That generally means in a straightline. But who worrying about it, right.

8_is_enuf

The point is this. You'd think they'd make a fast version of their flagship car. They are letting too much time go by and I think people are starting to lose interest. I know I am. Had they cmoe out with a MS version I would have bought it. In stead, I bought something else. Progress is happening without the RX-8.

jimmy69

Why is everyone here always crying about how bad this car is.....if you don't like it u can go get something way cheaper and faster......this car is a very fast car if you know how to drive......do you really need it to be faster for everyday use? no. i pass people in 6th without a problem......if you want to race get a civic or some other cheap crap that u can make fast very cheap......and leave the people that like this car alone to talk about whats great about it and how to make it even better.....not what Mazda should do.

CarAndDriver

The RX-8 is a great car and the Mazdaspeed 3 is a great car. Choose the one you like or drive something totally different. It's a free market!

Razz1

The 8 is slow...........

in a straight line

Since I can't beat Dominion as a post ***** or slow him down with that dead fish I put up his tail pipe..

I think I'm gonna be the biggest cry baby on this forumn.

Now to get a new license plate 8CRYBBY



And a big banner sticker for the front and rear windows "Mulligan"

Raptor75

MT just tested the MS-3, 0-60 in 6 sec. Almost identical to the RX-8. 1/4 mile the 3 was faster by a couple 10th of a sec.

TALAN7

There are too many hurdles with the rotary engine otherwise Mazda would surely have given the 8 more power. For everyone on this forum who claims the RX8 is perfect as is, a well balance machine, so and so, Flame, I mean shame on you.

If the RX8 had the 250 hp that Mazda had originally claimed I don't think that anyone here would be complaining. Proof that Mazda tried, (more like lied).

My question is this. The car magazines claimed a 0-60 time for the RX8 at 5.9 when it had 250 hp. Now that it has 232 hp (maybe), how fast is it now?

The 8 has no muscle to it at all. It's still a great car. Would I buy another? Not with the current engine.

9291150

The car NEVER had 250hp.

TALAN7

All of Mazda's first year advertising and part of the second year stated 250 hp.
All car magazines stated 250 hp. We know now that it didn't haave it.

Raptor75

True, but the whole time it only had 238 hp which is now being stated at 232 hp and I believe Hymme Dynoed the engine at the crank at 223hp. Through all this the car has not changed so what ever the HP was when the car was tested by the magazines it is still the same today and those trade journals reported 0-60 in 5.9 sec.

New Yorker

OMG, do you have a brain tumor?!? The 0-60 time a magazine reports is simply the result of how fast the car they tested went from 0-60 mph. Doesn't matter if it's "rated" at 250hp, 238hp or 2,000hp.

And for the record—I hope you're reading this, Mazda—I LOVE the car with the hp it has now—no matter what it is. Good job, guys!

dean2900

I love the RX-8 but get flamed because I think it needs t have between 250-260hp. There is a reason this board doesn't like posts about street racing, etc and it is not about safety. People get made when they hear about comparable cars beating the RX-8.

The car looks great (only in red though). has a smooth displacement, handles extremely well, and has back seats!

I personally would think that is the car had 260hp, it would be the most popular car on the road in this class despite the natual gas mileage issues of the rotary.

The car has 232 or 238hp? Who knows these days. It is just a little slower than the competition in this class.

It does not surprise me in the least that the MazdaSpeed 3 is faster.

I haven't be keeping up too much with the 8 since I Have had mine in the last 2 + years but I just expected a MazdaSpeed S/C or turbo version and am shocked there is not one.

For someone like me, the RX-8 is nearly perfect other than the slight hp issue. I like driving SPORTS cars but I need the back seats since I have a kid these days. I couldn't do it my old 2 seaters I used to like. The RX-8 is my everyday business vehicle and it is a sports car that still has room to take clients out to lunch, store extra items, and the child seat fits perfectly in the back. My 2 year old enjoys riding in the RX-8 a lot more than in my wife's SUV.

At some point people just need to realize that it is not very good in a straight line and enjoy the car for what it is -- a solid sports car that looks good and handles very well. It has more power than the majority of cars stock but is a little lacking in the performance class.

Dean

Raptor2k

FI por favor?

dtorre

*hands raptor FI* De Nada

zoom44

thats not correct- we made the decision to not allow street racing posts before the car had even started production. it has everything to do with not wanting to promote a stupid activity which kills innocent bystanders every year and nothing to do with the car the forum is about.

snizzle

sosonic

Bottom line, Mazda is to blame for “hurting” its own RX-8. With 275 HP an up, the RX-8 would spank its competition in overall comparisons. There would be few complaints, except about some overheating RX-8s that needed a 2nd oil cooler, different oil, and/or engine fan or bad apple RX-8s that get low gas mileage. Sorry to digress… Just about all sports car get “suck” gas mileage in the 17mpg to 25mpg range, so if you are in that range and complaining…. “Quiet please” or buy an ugly econo box. If you are below that, than you need to start beating some heads at the Mazda dealer. Though off from my point as well, changing oil, changing to a high performance oil filter, engine fan mod, etc… are some helpful factors.

Anyway, back to the HP issue. Mazda should have already put out an MazdaSpeed RX-8 with around 275 HP (of course more is better). Somehow Mazda has the time to work on a hydrogen powered RX-8, where there is little to no demand for ( and it appears “very under powered as well”), and bring out a MazdaSpeed 3 (hatch back damn it) that slaps its own RX-8 in the face in 0-60.

The answer seems to be to go supercharger or endorse somebody’s supercharger kit and have Mazda techs really, really help them out. Getting 275 HP out of an RX-8 is not that hard. We are not talking 400HP or even 350HP. We are talking about 40 HP more than what the MT RX-8 is supposed to get. 40 HP more would put the RX-8 Autos in the 250 HP range, and even make them more appealing. Come on, after how many years this can’t be done? Hell, the supercharger kits come in stages. Just keep adding more boost, at more cost and DE-crease their warranty options, and they will get over the 300 HP mark.

Just from a selling point, what Mazda is doing makes little sense. If Mazda feared that an expensive Supercharger or Turbo version of the RX-8 would hurt them, like it did for the RX-7 than they have nothing to worry about. They have the NA RX-8 at the low end and could sell the Supercharged or Turbo RX-8s at the high end for $5,000 t0 $7,500 more and to power hungry drivers. If anything, an underpowered NA RX-8 is hurting them as much as any fear of an expensive Turbo/Supercharger RX-8, in terms of sales and customer satisfaction.

I really don’t get what Mazda is waiting on? The RX-9, to finally get it right and have a NA version and a Turbo/Supercharger version?

Razz1

I want a super charger

New Yorker

The RX-8 is not underpowered. And neither, for that matter, is the Miata. They're sports cars. Not muscle cars. And they both do what they were designed to do exceedingly well.