japan rx8 and north american rx8
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japan rx8 and north american rx8
as i know , japan's 8 have 250 hp and 22 torque
and those we got are 232 hp and 15.9 torque.
anyone whats different ? some engine parts different or only computer setting different ?
if only the only different are the compute, is that mean we ccould just "upgrade" the program to japanese one and will able to get 250 and 22 torque as well ?
and those we got are 232 hp and 15.9 torque.
anyone whats different ? some engine parts different or only computer setting different ?
if only the only different are the compute, is that mean we ccould just "upgrade" the program to japanese one and will able to get 250 and 22 torque as well ?
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Not true
We start with *lower* power than our Japanese cousin due to emission regulations. Not much , by a few horses.
of course we mesaure the HP differently, we do ours in the SAE way.
and no you cannot switch ECU like that, because it was designed with diff year and RHD/LHD. So you cannot just jack a japanese ECU and hope that it will work in ours. it just wont happen.
If you want something faster, get RB flash.
We start with *lower* power than our Japanese cousin due to emission regulations. Not much , by a few horses.
of course we mesaure the HP differently, we do ours in the SAE way.
and no you cannot switch ECU like that, because it was designed with diff year and RHD/LHD. So you cannot just jack a japanese ECU and hope that it will work in ours. it just wont happen.
If you want something faster, get RB flash.
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How do you figure octane doesn't affect performance??? Maybe not in a bone-stock RX8, but the more air you feed into your motor (i.e. turbo) the better you are going to want your fuel to combust. The higher the octane the better the combustion, plain and simple.
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If your refering the the performance of your engine as it KNOCKS. Then yes it will effect performance. The higher the octane the less chance of pre detenation of the Air/fuel mixture. A higher octane slows down the burn rate of fuel. That is why when you have forced induction/higher compression the AF mixture is hotter due to pressure/friction increase. This in turn will create detenation of the A/F mixture prematurely in lower octane fuels. Fuel will ignite under pressure/heat. Higher octane slows the burn rate down under pressure/heat.
Thus eliminating the ping I hear when it gets to 120 degrees outside.
And thus improving my performance ,,right?
Thus eliminating the ping I hear when it gets to 120 degrees outside.
And thus improving my performance ,,right?
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The higher the octane the better the combustion, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by mysql101
No, the higher it is, the more it resists combustion (when compressed). You don't want it igniting at the wrong time.
you want the fuel to burn as the flame front hits it- you do not want it to burn ahead of the flame front. octane is the way fuel is rated to show how much that fuel not in the flame front resists spontaneously combusting and causing a knock/ping. any more octane higher than what keeps the fuel from knocking is superfluous.
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In Sweden we have 95, 98 and 99 octane fuel.
Dyno with 95 octane: 217 hp (at the eccentric shaft)
Dyno with 99 octane: 229 hp (at the eccentric shaft)
Tests done with 2 minutes in between. Same car, same dyno, same calibration same everything. Difference was 20 litres of added 99 octane in the fuel tank. If it was something else in the fuel that made the difference i dont know. It was V-Power 99 octane compared to no-name 95 octane fuel.
Draw whatever conclusions you want. My conclusion isthat i fuel up with 99 octane V-Power and enjoy a bit extra power.
Dyno with 95 octane: 217 hp (at the eccentric shaft)
Dyno with 99 octane: 229 hp (at the eccentric shaft)
Tests done with 2 minutes in between. Same car, same dyno, same calibration same everything. Difference was 20 litres of added 99 octane in the fuel tank. If it was something else in the fuel that made the difference i dont know. It was V-Power 99 octane compared to no-name 95 octane fuel.
Draw whatever conclusions you want. My conclusion isthat i fuel up with 99 octane V-Power and enjoy a bit extra power.
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The hypothesis I would offer up to explain those empirical results is that your ECU and knock sensor are correctly adjusting engine combustion parameters to produce more power (from higher octane gas). That is, the car is capable of more powe w/hi-octane gas as it was designed for it.
However, the actual energy available in higher octane gas is somewhat less than lower octane gas, due to the extra octane additives, but the engine is able to adjust itself and can utilize what energy is there more effectively giving the stated higher HP output.
Also as a check against engine heat soak HP differences, one should have also reversed the test taking the 99 out and putting 95 back and testing again. I've read of dynos without mods, then dynos with mods done, then removing them again and w/redyno found increased HP over 1st test. Something to think about, there are erros (haha) that can show up everywhere without realizing they are possible.
However, the actual energy available in higher octane gas is somewhat less than lower octane gas, due to the extra octane additives, but the engine is able to adjust itself and can utilize what energy is there more effectively giving the stated higher HP output.
Also as a check against engine heat soak HP differences, one should have also reversed the test taking the 99 out and putting 95 back and testing again. I've read of dynos without mods, then dynos with mods done, then removing them again and w/redyno found increased HP over 1st test. Something to think about, there are erros (haha) that can show up everywhere without realizing they are possible.
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