How long will it take Mazda to work out the kinks?
10-13-2003, 12:03 AM
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660 miles and I have the intermittent oil light on a long trip at 80+ MPH on flat terrain. I agree that this was a dumb problem to miss.
I also have the A/C turning interrittently warm, even when on full blast cold.
Aside from those two, I'm luv'n it.
My MPG is about 18 right now. Nver dipped below 15.
I also have the A/C turning interrittently warm, even when on full blast cold.
Aside from those two, I'm luv'n it.
My MPG is about 18 right now. Nver dipped below 15.
10-13-2003, 09:33 AM
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3300 miles no problems -- one small and very intermitent rattle in the sunroof or dome light that I will get checked out (will also request the oil pan replacement).
10-13-2003, 09:33 AM
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Don't get me wrong, nothing is stopping me from taking delivery of my 8 when it arrives.
However, I would be unhappy if my drivng style, spirited but not overly agressive, yielded low MPG results.
anywhere between 18 & 22 MPG, mixed suburbam/HWY with some city (NYC) mixed in would be OK by me.
Claude H.
However, I would be unhappy if my drivng style, spirited but not overly agressive, yielded low MPG results.
anywhere between 18 & 22 MPG, mixed suburbam/HWY with some city (NYC) mixed in would be OK by me.
Claude H.
10-13-2003, 10:19 AM
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Re: Early production screw ups...
Originally posted by SHOWOFF
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1700 miles, 17 - 21 mpg, every thing is fine except left front Bose speaker seems lose or so.
10-13-2003, 11:37 AM
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Only the oil light issue for me. I have the new oil pan now.
I thought I had a rattle once, but it was just a bottle of Tylenol in the side pouch of my back pack on the back seat.:D
I thought I had a rattle once, but it was just a bottle of Tylenol in the side pouch of my back pack on the back seat.:D
10-13-2003, 11:52 AM
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Buy the car(RX8) don't worry, when the warranty expire, in say three years time (when the car rattles, paint chips, some dent, etc), sell it and change it to RX7..
Warranty=no worry!!
Warranty=no worry!!
10-13-2003, 12:00 PM
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Re: How long will it take Mazda to work out the kinks?
Originally posted by newport8
For the past month, I've been debating whether to get an RX-8 or a 350z. I was just about ready to go out and get an RX-8 when I started to read about all the problems people have been having with the new car: fuel economy, check engine lights, a/c cycling, oil light, excess heat generation, etc.
The good thing about the 350z (outside of the RX-8 vs. 350z debate) is that it has been through one model year already. I went on some of the 350z forums, and they had their share of first model year problems, too: paint chipping, clutch problems, tire cupping, crappy Bose stereo, etc. It seems like a lot of these issues have been resolved with the 2004 model.
For the past month, I've been debating whether to get an RX-8 or a 350z. I was just about ready to go out and get an RX-8 when I started to read about all the problems people have been having with the new car: fuel economy, check engine lights, a/c cycling, oil light, excess heat generation, etc.
The good thing about the 350z (outside of the RX-8 vs. 350z debate) is that it has been through one model year already. I went on some of the 350z forums, and they had their share of first model year problems, too: paint chipping, clutch problems, tire cupping, crappy Bose stereo, etc. It seems like a lot of these issues have been resolved with the 2004 model.
OTOH, having driven a Z, as well as the G35, and also read many of the longer-term reviews, I'm confident, from my perspective, that the 8 is a vastly more "livable" car, on a day-to-day basis, design-wise, and personality-wise. Icing on the cake being that the 8 appears to be an outstanding weekender autox car -- read thru the competition threads.
Best of luck in your decision. I'll be getting an 8 in the near future.
10-13-2003, 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by RXhusker
3300 miles no problems -- one small and very intermitent rattle in the sunroof or dome light that I will get checked out (will also request the oil pan replacement).
3300 miles no problems -- one small and very intermitent rattle in the sunroof or dome light that I will get checked out (will also request the oil pan replacement).
10-13-2003, 01:03 PM
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Showoff,
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
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10-13-2003, 01:13 PM
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Re: Early production screw ups...
2000 miles and counting...
- Never had it
- CHECK! I HAVE IT.
- NEVER HAPPENED..MAJOR THING.
- CHECK! GOT IT AS WELL.
- NOPE.
- NOPE!
- PLEASE NO!
1. Intermittent oil light
2. annoying *** rattle in the center of the dash that I don't even want to try to have the dealership fix for fear of creating more problems
[/b]3. RH window does not roll all the way down[/b]
4. Driver's side doors rattle over small road imperfections due to poor factory adjustment.
5. Pass door power locks inop
6. fake metal finish on shift **** wearing off in less than 4000 miles (2000) of them were all hwy from KC to ATL
7. Now yesterday the damned rear end started whining louder than the radio when I decellerate by lifting off the throttle. Another local 8 owner that was at a car show with me today is having the same problem.
10-13-2003, 01:45 PM
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briefly had the oil light come on at 2500 miles, discovered that I can't read dipsticks and it was down more than half a quart. will ask about it when I get my oil changed anyway. Other than that, at 3700 miles, nothing else you listed has appeared.
10-13-2003, 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
10-13-2003, 07:07 PM
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Klegg, It must have been harsh for you to think so. It was meant for Showoff, not the thread originator. Its hard to have sympathy for someone who had an open ended money back guarantee. There were numerous RX-8 owners who took the buyback just to get a better RX-8. I find it very hard to believe that all of these problems manifested themselves after the buyback IMO.
Off Thread: Klegg: I'm sharpening my tongue for the next Z invasion. They sure spend a lot of time on the RX-8 forum worrying about our POS cars. The autox results that have started flowing in, has stopped a lot of the performance based bashing. Those results (or anticipation of them) are exactly why I bought the car. A perfect blend of power, response and handling in one sweet looking package.
Off Thread: Klegg: I'm sharpening my tongue for the next Z invasion. They sure spend a lot of time on the RX-8 forum worrying about our POS cars. The autox results that have started flowing in, has stopped a lot of the performance based bashing. Those results (or anticipation of them) are exactly why I bought the car. A perfect blend of power, response and handling in one sweet looking package.
10-13-2003, 07:18 PM
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I'm waiting for next years model too. You guys should all get the Z (its so ugly :P), i don't wanna see an RX8 every corner like those G35s, everyone and their mom has one now, it makes them a dime a dozen. I want my car to be special. Heheheheh
10-13-2003, 07:42 PM
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I was going to refrain from jumping in since I took the buy back. I don't want anyone to think I am picking on the 8. I still like the car and I am hoping Mazda will fix the problems. Until then, I am going to read the forum and see how you folks are doing with your cars. I will drive my poor old 93 Miata with 80,000 miles and still going strong.
Those of you who are enjoying your cars, may your miles be many and your troubles be none.
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Those of you who are enjoying your cars, may your miles be many and your troubles be none.
:D
10-13-2003, 10:20 PM
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Interesting...
Two [snap]
Two [snap]
Two threads in one!
[end of commercial]
Really now, if you have prob's, take your lists to your local Mazda shop and have them fix each & every one - for zreo cost.
I know it can be a bother, but I've been there, done that (not with this car...). In the end, it's all fixed & you have that perfect RX-8. Do it.
Rattle behind the dash? Do it.
Noise from the rear end? Definitely do it, ASAP!
Window won't "roll" down all the way? It might seem "major", but it's not. It's a piece of cake to the shop guys. Do it!
Etc. Whatever you can come up with. Do it. If it can wait for your normal maint. checkup, combine the trip with those dinky little prob's. That'll reduce the pain greatly.
Two [snap]
Two [snap]
Two threads in one!
[end of commercial]
Really now, if you have prob's, take your lists to your local Mazda shop and have them fix each & every one - for zreo cost.
I know it can be a bother, but I've been there, done that (not with this car...). In the end, it's all fixed & you have that perfect RX-8. Do it.
Rattle behind the dash? Do it.
Noise from the rear end? Definitely do it, ASAP!
Window won't "roll" down all the way? It might seem "major", but it's not. It's a piece of cake to the shop guys. Do it!
Etc. Whatever you can come up with. Do it. If it can wait for your normal maint. checkup, combine the trip with those dinky little prob's. That'll reduce the pain greatly.
10-13-2003, 10:54 PM
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Re: Driving Style
Originally posted by rfdjr
As I read about some of these engine related issues, such as engine light and mileage, it makes me wonder how aggressive some RX-8 drivers are. I don't "baby" my RX-8, but I don't drive 100 mph either.
As I read about some of these engine related issues, such as engine light and mileage, it makes me wonder how aggressive some RX-8 drivers are. I don't "baby" my RX-8, but I don't drive 100 mph either.
Well the manual recommends...
1-2 @ 14mph
2-3 @ 22mph
3-4 @ 29mph
4-5 @ 36mph
5-6 @ 46mph
Now common... who here hasn't been over 46mph in 2nd?
Only by driving as "recommended" above, will you get close to the guaranteed estimated mpg ratings. Very rarely have I made the estimated MPG RANGE. And yes... I drive 100MPH and I like to keep the rpms between 4500 and 8500rpm. 6th gear? What's that? It's a rotory damnit... let it zip!
Oh and btw...
4000 +/-100mi, and no problems except the oil light at 2600mi (3/4qt low), and only at high speed. Keepin oil topped off helps keep the light away... calling for oil pan service tomorrow, I know what the problem is and will get the 8 in the shop on MY schedule.
Enjoy your 8 if you have one, enjoy whatever if you've returned your 8, enjoy your time deciding if you want an 8 and if the RX-8 returns in 2005, maybe it'll be "kinked out" to your satisfaction.
Peace.
10-14-2003, 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Showoff,
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
Showoff,
Maybe you had the first RX-8 totally assembled in the U.S. According to your post you have had your car for more that a month, why didn't you take the buyback? It should have been obvious to you from reading this forum that the vast majority of owners have not experienced even one of your plethera of problems. Your post almost reads like a list of all the obscure single problems experienced or seen by all the RX-8's owners on this forum.
You have heard of Hypocondriac's, that is someone who hears of an affliction and makes it their own. I think their are a few Autocondriac's floating around on this forum, those who hear of a problem, and feel left out, so they add it to their list of problems.
4000 miles and nary a problem, but then, I am not the type to fiddle with every button, lever, or shift handle until it breaks. Its the nicest car I have ever had, and I treat it that way.
I am sure that as time goes by these "quirks" will become less frequent as improvements are made in the assembly process, but there are a things like the oil pan that should not have been unnoticed during the few months that are spent testing pre-production vehicles on the streets.
I also would never give back a car for something as petty as this, or a mere 8 hp and BTW these problems arose after the buy back expired.
10-14-2003, 09:38 PM
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I agree that some things should have been found in the pre-production. However if Mazda changes suppliers or something like that it is possible to end up with a bad part. You must remember Mazda does not make the whole car, the suppliers make the sub parts.
In pre-production some of these parts are probably hand made by a designer so they are a good part,and when a supplier starts making this part they may make mistakes and not know until we see the mistakes. If Mazda gets complants they will indeed check into it. So make sure if you do make complants talk to the right person. (usually not your dealer)
In pre-production some of these parts are probably hand made by a designer so they are a good part,and when a supplier starts making this part they may make mistakes and not know until we see the mistakes. If Mazda gets complants they will indeed check into it. So make sure if you do make complants talk to the right person. (usually not your dealer)