Hindsight RX-7 vs Rx-8 which is or was the better Car?
11-13-2007, 05:36 PM
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11-13-2007, 05:43 PM
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Guys like him drag down the average IQ of every forum on the internet. No self respecting person can judge an entire forum off one jack asses comments.
11-13-2007, 05:48 PM
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You aren't disagreeing, you're being an idiot. While *most* others are merely criticizing the *opposing* vehicle, you're all-out bashing. You even changed your sig to reflect that. So DIAF. Or learn to spell; whichever is more painful for you.
11-13-2007, 05:50 PM
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Oh ok pal. I guess all of the fiberglass body kits that the 8 users put on their cars are so much better? 
Maybe if they put some of that money under the hood rather than gluing it to their cars, they might be able to keep up with me on a track.
Don't get me wrong, they lose credibility from me when they're (body kits) on an FD, too... but please don't try to bash the 99 spec front end, your argument is worth nothing.
I'm trying to keep this as civilized as possible, but the weak comments from some of your inexperienced FE owners just baffle me...
Maybe if they put some of that money under the hood rather than gluing it to their cars, they might be able to keep up with me on a track.Don't get me wrong, they lose credibility from me when they're (body kits) on an FD, too... but please don't try to bash the 99 spec front end, your argument is worth nothing.
I'm trying to keep this as civilized as possible, but the weak comments from some of your inexperienced FE owners just baffle me...
As far as body kits, I can't speak for other 8 owners. The money I've spent on my car has gone under the hood. I know what a 99 spec front end is and I'm free to call it ugly if I want to. Just because it's sought after doesn't make it any better looking. To be honest, I like the design except for the billboard on the front.
A lot of the arguments here are because no one really defined what "better" is. Better sports car? Better daily driver? Better weekend toy? 8's and 7's are used for different purposes, so trying to decide which vehicle is better all around will never get us anywhere. All I know is, the 8 is better for ME. Sounds like the 7 is better for you. But you don't to trash my car because of that.
Also, the FD 7 has had 15 years to develop a competent aftermarket. The 8 has had 3. Only recently have people really cracked the Renesis open and tried to see what it's capable of, and in time it could be just as much a performance machine as the FD. The chassis is stiffer, I know that much.
11-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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Bashing? Old and Ugly. R facts.
11-13-2007, 06:01 PM
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Also, the FD 7 has had 15 years to develop a competent aftermarket. The 8 has had 3. Only recently have people really cracked the Renesis open and tried to see what it's capable of, and in time it could be just as much a performance machine as the FD. The chassis is stiffer, I know that much.
11-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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The chassis for the 8 is def better, but the problem is that motor. You just can't run enough boost through it to make any power, 5-8 is the realistic limit, 10+ and its done. Swapping in a different motor (13b-rew, 20b, LS1) and the car would def perform but if you wanna keep the Renesis, get used to being slow.
We had a guy just like you not too long ago who was offering engine swaps using the same argument. Turns out he just didn't know **** about the MSP. You and he are cut from the same cloth, I think.
11-13-2007, 06:13 PM
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Again...
My 8 is faster around a track...and thats enough for me...
AND as a qualifier...I've had seat time in a track prepped RX-7 w/ an LS1...
Buddy complained that a STOCK 8 was passing him...after driving it...I can see why...
My 8 is faster around a track...and thats enough for me...
AND as a qualifier...I've had seat time in a track prepped RX-7 w/ an LS1...
Buddy complained that a STOCK 8 was passing him...after driving it...I can see why...
11-13-2007, 06:15 PM
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Dead wrong. There are several people on this forum running more than 10 psi of boost and making well over 350 whp. Scroll down to the "major horsepower upgrades" and look for MazdaManiac or rotorocks. 6-8psi is all you need to break 300hp anyway, if you size your turbo right (which Greddy did not). The fact that the Renesis is a high-compression engine means it can be tuned to make more power with less boost.
We had a guy just like you not too long ago who was offering engine swaps using the same argument. Turns out he just didn't know **** about the MSP. You and he are cut from the same cloth, I think.
We had a guy just like you not too long ago who was offering engine swaps using the same argument. Turns out he just didn't know **** about the MSP. You and he are cut from the same cloth, I think.
11-13-2007, 06:17 PM
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Good info, I'm basing my opinion off my friends who has turboed a few of these cars and he said he wouldnt run more then 8lbs. I also didn't say they couldn't run more then 10psi, I'm just saying I wouldnt based on what I've read/heard, though I haven't read the info you just pointed me in the direction of.
Seek ye the "Major Horsepower" section or look up "Esmeril"...
Only problem right now is spark blowout...
The compression is NOT an issue and we make more power with less boost...
More reliable with boost...and able to withstand more abuse and not puke out the apex seals...
11-13-2007, 06:27 PM
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It's unfortunate how this thread's IQ has just gone down the drain. The first 2 pages were actually quite interesting to read. But it went way south after a few insecure rx7 owners who join in a forum just to thread bash and prove to themselves that their 15 year old Craigslist special is god-sent. If this is not a trait of insecurity I don't know what is. Just as our resident troller Ike. :D
I love the FD for its capabilities and design. I also love KITT back when I was young. But if I want a total sports car the FD is not on my list at all. It would be an S2000. The 8 is a wonderful cross b/t S2000 sportiness and 3-series daily driving qualities. If I want to go fast on a turbo car, my 300hp family wagon does it easily and I never have to say a prayer to the Rotary God each time I twist the ignition key.
I love the FD for its capabilities and design. I also love KITT back when I was young. But if I want a total sports car the FD is not on my list at all. It would be an S2000. The 8 is a wonderful cross b/t S2000 sportiness and 3-series daily driving qualities. If I want to go fast on a turbo car, my 300hp family wagon does it easily and I never have to say a prayer to the Rotary God each time I twist the ignition key.
11-13-2007, 06:41 PM
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It's unfortunate how this thread's IQ has just gone down the drain. The first 2 pages were actually quite interesting to read. But it went way south after a few insecure rx7 owners who join in a forum just to thread bash and prove to themselves that their 15 year old Craigslist special is god-sent. If this is not a trait of insecurity I don't know what is. Just as our resident troller Ike. :D
I love the FD for its capabilities and design. I also love KITT back when I was young. But if I want a total sports car the FD is not on my list at all. It would be an S2000. The 8 is a wonderful cross b/t S2000 sportiness and 3-series daily driving qualities. If I want to go fast on a turbo car, my 300hp family wagon does it easily and I never have to say a prayer to the Rotary God each time I twist the ignition key.
I love the FD for its capabilities and design. I also love KITT back when I was young. But if I want a total sports car the FD is not on my list at all. It would be an S2000. The 8 is a wonderful cross b/t S2000 sportiness and 3-series daily driving qualities. If I want to go fast on a turbo car, my 300hp family wagon does it easily and I never have to say a prayer to the Rotary God each time I twist the ignition key.
Do you honestly believe that it's a fact that either car is better than the other? it's been pointed out and agreed upon numerous times that the better car depends on the goals of the buyer.
And the s2k is a great car. I plan to make one my DD.
It doesn't outperform the 7 in any category, though.
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11-13-2007, 06:45 PM
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Actually, before you guys got here, there were plenty of 8 owners saying the 7 was better. Don't you know anything about this place? It's practically the guilty catholic car club over here.
He's got a point: you seem pretty insecure. That last comment about the S2000 drove that one home.
He's got a point: you seem pretty insecure. That last comment about the S2000 drove that one home.
11-13-2007, 06:47 PM
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Whats interesting is all the 7 fan boys who neglect to argue with my statement of...
The 8 > 7 on teh track...even in stock trim...
It does not outperform it in raw power...but thats about it...
Passing cars w/ 2x-3x the power in my 8 has firmly established...more power does not a great sports car make...
The 8 > 7 on teh track...even in stock trim...
It does not outperform it in raw power...but thats about it...
Passing cars w/ 2x-3x the power in my 8 has firmly established...more power does not a great sports car make...
11-13-2007, 07:06 PM
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Whats interesting is all the 7 fan boys who neglect to argue with my statement of...
The 8 > 7 on teh track...even in stock trim...
It does not outperform it in raw power...but thats about it...
Passing cars w/ 2x-3x the power in my 8 has firmly established...more power does not a great sports car make...
The 8 > 7 on teh track...even in stock trim...
It does not outperform it in raw power...but thats about it...
Passing cars w/ 2x-3x the power in my 8 has firmly established...more power does not a great sports car make...
11-13-2007, 07:22 PM
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Show me the times by proven magazines where the 8 beats the 7 and other cars like you keep saying. I'm not saying you haven't beaten theses cars but prove to me it wasn't driver error vs the car actually being better. Because like it was said earlier in this thread, the 8 isnt even in the same racing class as the 7.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...di-tt-20t.html
Interesting review btw...seemed relevant...
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11-13-2007, 07:23 PM
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Wow. Certain owners from both sides really need to grow up. Since when did 7 & 8 owners become rivals?
Some of you (and you know who you are) need to realize that no one wants to hear your pointless bashing. FDs are unreliable; we know this, why the **** are you polluting the forums with brainless taunts and bashes over the matter. 8's are the slowest kids on the block; once again we all ******* know this.
And who gives a **** about how many ******* seats you have? Read the thread title again. Where the hell does it say anything about practicality vs. sportiness?
The 8 does a good job of being a sporty 4-seater.
The 7 does a good job of being a sporty 2-seater.
The. *******. End.
Can we not wage war over the purely subjective topic of "more seats = better car?" Wouldn't it be more engaging and enlightening to compare which car pulled off it's build better?
For example, the legendary status of the 7 would suggest that it did an excellent job of being a 2-seater sports car. However, it does have a reputation for being attrociously unreliable. Now, the 8, when professionally reviewed, wins 1st place with astonishing consistancy. However, it's plagued with a reputation for being slow, and it's predecessor's unreliability reputation has carried over from the 7 despite the decade-long hiatus of rotary cars in the US.
Intelligent discussion question: Given the areas of success & failure of the 7 & 8, which would you say, with timelines of availibility and production taken into account, did the better job of conquering its nitch in the marketplace?
(P.S.: Answers like "TeH 8 cUZ tthe RX- 7scuKEd mY nUtzzzzzz" are neither encouraged nor English)
Some of you (and you know who you are) need to realize that no one wants to hear your pointless bashing. FDs are unreliable; we know this, why the **** are you polluting the forums with brainless taunts and bashes over the matter. 8's are the slowest kids on the block; once again we all ******* know this.
And who gives a **** about how many ******* seats you have? Read the thread title again. Where the hell does it say anything about practicality vs. sportiness?
The 8 does a good job of being a sporty 4-seater.
The 7 does a good job of being a sporty 2-seater.
The. *******. End.
Can we not wage war over the purely subjective topic of "more seats = better car?" Wouldn't it be more engaging and enlightening to compare which car pulled off it's build better?
For example, the legendary status of the 7 would suggest that it did an excellent job of being a 2-seater sports car. However, it does have a reputation for being attrociously unreliable. Now, the 8, when professionally reviewed, wins 1st place with astonishing consistancy. However, it's plagued with a reputation for being slow, and it's predecessor's unreliability reputation has carried over from the 7 despite the decade-long hiatus of rotary cars in the US.
Intelligent discussion question: Given the areas of success & failure of the 7 & 8, which would you say, with timelines of availibility and production taken into account, did the better job of conquering its nitch in the marketplace?
(P.S.: Answers like "TeH 8 cUZ tthe RX- 7scuKEd mY nUtzzzzzz" are neither encouraged nor English)
If we completely ignore that 4me2 guy he'll go away. It really does work, we just have to stick to ignoring him. And even if he doesn't go away, just don't read his posts.
Back OT- You pose a tough question, but I'd say the RX8 did a 'better' job of reaching its goal. More so then the RX7, but only by a very small margin. EXCEPT for the FD. I agree with others that the FD was meant to be the fastest, best handling and flat out best performance machine on the road. Total success. Just not enough buyers...
The other RX7's were made to be the best selling sports car of their era. 'Best selling' is different then 'best performing'. The FD was a halo car. Get people into the Mazda showroom to see the FD and sell them an MX-3. The previous RX7's were meant to outsell other sports cars of the era thus posting big profits for Mazda. They MAY have been profitable but I'm sure Mustangs and Camaro's sold far better, not to mention Z cars and the like. It is purely conjecture, but I assume Mazda had no intention of the 8 being a profitable vehicle for them. I believe it was a way for them to reintroduce the rotary to North America, make enough sales to justify its existence and further develop the engine for future vehicles. The RX8 was meant to be the Sports Car that ANYONE can own, drive daily and love. It's for single guys and it's for married women. It's relatively reliable, very sporty, has some creature comforts and more practicality then many other 2 + 2's or even sedans.
Just my 2 cents. And remember, ignore that other guy...
11-13-2007, 07:34 PM
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Oh ok pal. I guess all of the fiberglass body kits that the 8 users put on their cars are so much better? Maybe if they put some of that money under the hood rather than gluing it to their cars, they might be able to keep up with me on a track.
Don't get me wrong, they lose credibility from me when they're (body kits) on an FD, too... but please don't try to bash the 99 spec front end, your argument is worth nothing.
I'm trying to keep this as civilized as possible, but the weak comments from some of your inexperienced FE owners just baffle me...
Maybe if they put some of that money under the hood rather than gluing it to their cars, they might be able to keep up with me on a track.Don't get me wrong, they lose credibility from me when they're (body kits) on an FD, too... but please don't try to bash the 99 spec front end, your argument is worth nothing.
I'm trying to keep this as civilized as possible, but the weak comments from some of your inexperienced FE owners just baffle me...
