9291150

To be clear, I know that you turn off the TCS (traction control) by pressing the DSC button once with the car on, and both TCS and DSC (stability control) by pressing the same button for 7 or 8 seconds. And I know that TCS/DSC resets itself to function every time you turn the car on.

SO MY QUESTION IS; has anybody rewired the system so that TCS/DSC is off once you start the car, rather than going through this 8 second PITA procedure? If so, was it easy?

While I think the DSC is the best I sampled, I think the 8 is so much more fun without these aids, so unbelievably balanced when you are sliding it around.

KJ238

There is something about this in the DIY forum

Gomez

Yes, there is a thread about it somewhere. Just short circuit the switch.

Stupid thing to do, but there are plenty of stupid people around. It'll generate a fault code that your dealer will probably ask you about next service....but there you go.

Miker

Eight seconds is PITA procedure?

I wish on you my 1983 VW Rabbit diesel when it took two cans of ether sprayed into the intake to start below freezing. A generation has been born when eight seconds is worth shorting a wire....what hath God wrought?

Gomez

A bunch of stupid lazy people, I expect......

BunnyGirl

How hard/inconvenient can it be to push the button when you turn your car on? It's not like you are instantly flying out of the driveway the moment your car is turned on anyway. I know a lot of people that spend far more time screwing with their radio than it takes to push the button!!!!

9291150

I'm sure there is a better way to do it than short circuiting the switch, but thanks for the useless info. Gomez.

Miker, I like to think that the world has progressed from the days of your '83 Rabbit. I know some older riding buddies who's knees are still busted up from old Harleys when they had kick-starters. Progress is good isn't it?

And Bunnygirl, I'd rather not spend eight seconds of my time sitting there with my finger on a button. I guess that's not ok with you?

...you ask for free advice, and sometimes you get what you pay for.

tiggerlee

But you'll spend it here complaining about it? Doesn't make sense.

JRichter

It does sound lazy when you talk about it, but I've found myself trying to steer with my right hand while my left hand is holding down the button, then I need to shift with my right hand before I go above 3000 rpms because the car is not warmed up yet, so I have to take my right hand off the steering wheel (leaving the car to steer for it's self while I shift) and then look down to see if it has been 8 seconds yet and the DSC/TSC is deactivated (if I let off the DSC button prematurely then I have to hold it down another 8 seconds with one hand to shift and steer) all the while trying to shuffle through the 6 discs to find the CD I want to hear and song, adjust the volume/track w/ the steering wheel control but I'm turning out of the parking lot by now so the wheel is upside down so I can't find the steering wheel mounted track/volume button while steering (and accidently hit some cruise control buttons) plus I have to pull my seatbelt around me and clip it in because low and behold there is a cop ahead and by this time it's time to shift into third so I need a hand for that and oh no the heater fan is on full blast from last night, but the air is cold because the car isn't warmed up so I need to turn the fan down then my mobile phone rings so I need to turn down the radio to take the call but I decide to ignore it because it's time to shift to fourth and when I check to see if I need gas with a quick glance to the dash I notice I didn't hold the DSC button long enough on the second attempt so the DSC/TSC is not defeated but it doesn't matter because I'm at the gas station by now so I pull up to the pump but I can't shut the car off yet because it is not warmed up fully as the gas station is a block from my apartment so I just sit in the car a few minutes and twiddle my thumbs until it has properly warmed up.

Seriously, I usually wait for the first red light (as I'm guaranteed to be caught at a light where I live 100 yards from whereever) and use this time to deactivate the system because there is nothing better to do waiting for it to turn green...

Gomez

If you find a better way, be sure to let me know......I'll be right here. I'll give you two weeks to get back to me......

9291150

...thats exactly what happens to me all the time.

cleoent

oh christ.

r0tor

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while your searching for a DIY, also search for how many hero's like yourself totaled their car out of stupidity

cleoent

Exactly what i was thinking.

I just didn't want to be the one to say it lol.

rotten42

well...be my guest and post the pics when you have smacked up your car from running around with the DSC off. There have been enough stories of this very thing happening on this board.

Joe_914

NOW WAIT JUST ONE DARN MINUTE
some of us that really race or even autocross thier cars have figured out that DSC enabled is NOT the fast way around the course.

While you are sitting in grid waiting your turn there are 1000's of things going through my head. adding one more thing to remember that takes 8 seconds complicates the process even more.

Autocross..... try it sometime

Nigandahu

To be honest Ive found that there isnt much of a difference between a single press of the button and holding it down for 8 seconds. Also with the single press you can reenable it later. Go try it right now, you'll slide around that corner just as much and it'll only take 0.3 seconds of your time.

9291150

cleoent, rOter and rotten 42. Thanks for your concerns about my safety.

I've raced cars and motorcycles, even karts competitively, actually held a proper racing license, and I bet I've done more track days and track schools at more tracks that you three combined could even mention. So far, no totaled cars or bikes. Hard to believe eh?

Far faster cars than the 8 have been sold without TSC/DSC systems.

But now, listening to you guys, I now understand why Mazda has made it so difficult to cancel out these driving aids.

If you don't have an answer to my question, then please spare me the lecture.

therm8

Doesn't mean you won't need the system enabled someday...


"I'm a racecar driver...." lol

Did you look at the DIY??? It's a switch. Short of ripping the whole system out, the only way around a switch is a wire or another switch.

rotten42

I stand corrected...because you are a "race car driver" you obviously will never make a mistake on the road....please forgive me for questioning your superior talent over all others on this board...what was I thinking?

Joe_914

Geesh, What a bunch of *******.
I do stupid **** in my car all the time but have been able to keep the shiny side up because of my learned and practiced car control. However I would like to think my minimal experience driving a car "at the Limit" has made me a better driver on the road with knuckle heads everywhere.
I'll leave the DSC alone as the 8 is the wife's car. She don't race.
Maybe we should go back to the thread of "get a hot chick to pose near your RX-8. OOPS that didn't go well either.

BlueEyes

Did you just say your wife isn't hot? or am I missunderstanding something?

Do you have a 914?

BunnyGirl

When I was calling for insurance quotes everyone asked if it had the DSC feature because it lowers your rates some. I know for sure one company asked if I could disable that "safety" feature. I can't see any reason that I would need to turn mine off. Maybe there is a reason it was made so "difficult/inconvenient" to turn off.

9291150

No, not better than all others, just you.

And others who are afraid to turn off the DSC because, God forbid, the car might slide around. Why again did you buy a sports car??????

rotten42

sure pal.....post the pics when you crash it...because it's always guy like you that have an inflated belief about their driving skills.