Ford and the RX8
03-08-2010, 09:26 AM
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Ash or Zoom will probably be able to clarify further, but I don't think you are being informed correctly. There are alot of retards out there that call any Mazda a "Ford", simply because Ford had a controlling stake at one point.
Mazda and Ford share alot of technology, but the rotary and the 8 isn't one of them. I'd suspect Ford doesn't want it. There is nothing about the 8 that mirrors to any of Ford's platforms, and nothing about the 8 that has any indication of have a Ford hand in it.
Some points of what are shared:
- Mazda V6s are Ford designed and built
- Mazda 6 and Ford Fusion share platforms
- Mazda 2 and Ford Fiesta share platforms
- Mazda B series and Ford Ranger shared platforms at one point I think
- Ford brought Mazda improved development of their piston engines
- Mazda brought Ford improvement of their suspensions
- I believe Mazda got some of their safety development from Volvo through Ford, who owned/owns Volvo as well.
Although there is probably a host of other learnings shared between them that hasn't, or won't, make it to the public.
Mazda and Ford share alot of technology, but the rotary and the 8 isn't one of them. I'd suspect Ford doesn't want it. There is nothing about the 8 that mirrors to any of Ford's platforms, and nothing about the 8 that has any indication of have a Ford hand in it.
Some points of what are shared:
- Mazda V6s are Ford designed and built
- Mazda 6 and Ford Fusion share platforms
- Mazda 2 and Ford Fiesta share platforms
- Mazda B series and Ford Ranger shared platforms at one point I think
- Ford brought Mazda improved development of their piston engines
- Mazda brought Ford improvement of their suspensions
- I believe Mazda got some of their safety development from Volvo through Ford, who owned/owns Volvo as well.
Although there is probably a host of other learnings shared between them that hasn't, or won't, make it to the public.
03-08-2010, 10:44 AM
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i don't care to go down this path again. read the Yamaguchi book
http://www.amazon.com/RX-8-Worlds-Co.../dp/4947659025
http://www.amazon.com/RX-8-Worlds-Co.../dp/4947659025
03-08-2010, 10:46 AM
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Not sure?
I'm not saying Mazda never developed V6s, I'm sure they did at some level, but publicly they have stated for a couple years now that they will continue to outsource their V6s, since it is such a tiny percentage of their sales and not worth the development time (which says something about their rotary development in my opinion). They focus on their 4s, and apparently with good development success. Good success overall remains to be seen if their Sky engines take off without massive problems.
I'm not saying Mazda never developed V6s, I'm sure they did at some level, but publicly they have stated for a couple years now that they will continue to outsource their V6s, since it is such a tiny percentage of their sales and not worth the development time (which says something about their rotary development in my opinion). They focus on their 4s, and apparently with good development success. Good success overall remains to be seen if their Sky engines take off without massive problems.
03-08-2010, 10:47 AM
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mazda's engine line can/does and has produced its own v6's based on Ford engineering. but it looks like they will not be putting much if any research dollars into them, prefering to spend their dollars on their sky engine programs and get the v6 designs from ford.
engine line
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Mazda+.....-a0166674833
recent v-6 mention
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle1488221/
engine line
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Mazda+.....-a0166674833
recent v-6 mention
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle1488221/
What Mazda won't do is chase V-6 engine development. Mazda's V-6 engines come from Ford Motor and, because they represent a small percentage of total Mazda sales volume, the Japanese company will buy the V-6 work from Ford on an engine-by-engine basis.
03-08-2010, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for the insight. I'll do some extra reading. I live in a X Ford Plant town so I get
the Ford question a lot. Only 2 RX-8's in the whole city so I get lots of looks.
Never a negative comment. Some even say "Oh that's the new Ford" and they mean it.
the Ford question a lot. Only 2 RX-8's in the whole city so I get lots of looks.
Never a negative comment. Some even say "Oh that's the new Ford" and they mean it.
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