Engine Dead @ 87K
06-09-2008, 12:08 PM
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The reason people are blaming mazda is that an engine shouldn't go up under 100k miles, hell modern engines should go at least 150k miles. I was under the impression that the new warranty covered pretty much everything about the engine.
I'd find out what it costs to just get it running and trade it if thats a good bit cheaper. Hopefully I won't have any issues in the next couple of years.
I'd find out what it costs to just get it running and trade it if thats a good bit cheaper. Hopefully I won't have any issues in the next couple of years.
06-09-2008, 12:24 PM
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The reason people are blaming mazda is that an engine shouldn't go up under 100k miles, hell modern engines should go at least 150k miles. I was under the impression that the new warranty covered pretty much everything about the engine.
I'd find out what it costs to just get it running and trade it if thats a good bit cheaper. Hopefully I won't have any issues in the next couple of years.
I'd find out what it costs to just get it running and trade it if thats a good bit cheaper. Hopefully I won't have any issues in the next couple of years.
but these days, with much gay"er" emission standards, You'll be lucky to see them go over 150K without repairs. reason? well, emission is just one of them, Engine oil is another one, plus many others.
06-09-2008, 12:44 PM
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Im not complaining about this warranty extension. Truth is, most warranties are for 5yrs/60K miles. Mazda extended the warranty once from 45K to 60K. Even though its a skimpy extension to 100K, its still something! Im grateful.
06-09-2008, 01:03 PM
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70k was a pretyt typical figure for an FD. Taht is where my research led me to believe that before 100k, I'd probably be letting this car go, or replacing an engine if I didn't have it in me to replace it. I bought this car thinking that between 70k and 100k I was likely to have serious Powertrain issues. This warranty has made that seem much more reasonable.
As I said before, most blwon engines are goign to require some combination of wear and tear items. Mazda is requiring all of them. If your engine blows before 80k, when they can't charge you for a cat, this seems like a fair way to spend $1100-$1200 replacing parts that you will receive back. If you barely make it under hte $100k, jsut be grateful that an engine swap, with all the supporting replacements is STILL under $3k....
I really jsut don't understand what there is to complain about. If the parts they force you to replace don't need replacing, then take the car home, strip them off, replace with your old ones off yoru blown engine and sell the "new" ones on here. And don't be upset when you need plugs, coils and wires in 2 months.
06-09-2008, 02:08 PM
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So what exactly does this new engine warranty cover? Everybody was all happy and congatulating Mazda.
And Shaofb, consumer reports did have an issue with the '04, the RX8 has gone up and down since day one. They just recently gave it an 1/2 red dot. The '04 has a nice big black dot. ( Page 92 April 2008 Annual auto issue )
And Shaofb, consumer reports did have an issue with the '04, the RX8 has gone up and down since day one. They just recently gave it an 1/2 red dot. The '04 has a nice big black dot. ( Page 92 April 2008 Annual auto issue )
06-09-2008, 03:32 PM
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The Cat is the Key
It sounds like really the cat is the thing they are trying to bone you on if it really isn't bad. I too would demand to see proof that the cat is indeed dead, and ask to inspect the part. Mazda isn't your problem it sounds like it is the service department trying to make some extra green. Plugs, wires, and if you are closing in on 100K coils aren't unreasonable, fluids sure. The catalytic converter isn't a throw away, I'd be asking for a darn good explanation exactly what is wrong with it and what supports their assertion that they won't do the required warranty work unless you purchase a new one.
06-09-2008, 03:53 PM
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Sorry to hear your troubles. You should definitely not have to pay for changing your fluids. That's part of the process for swapping the motor and should be covered under your warranty. Coils plugs and wires you can do yourself. The cat. as everyone else said may or may not be fine. You should be under no obligation to change something they can't tell is wrong or not. The fact that they don't know means they have no idea what they are talking about.
It's very easy to tell if your cat. is fine or not.
The only thing you should be replacing and paying for is the ignition coils, plugs, and wires if you choose to. That should be no more than $120-coils, $80 for plugs (they are expensive), and $50 for wires? They shouldn't really charge you labor since they have to swap the old parts from the old motor otherwise.
Bottom line is the most you should be paying, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, is ~$250 and then that's only if you want to pay for the convenience of having that stuff done at the same time.
It's very easy to tell if your cat. is fine or not.
The only thing you should be replacing and paying for is the ignition coils, plugs, and wires if you choose to. That should be no more than $120-coils, $80 for plugs (they are expensive), and $50 for wires? They shouldn't really charge you labor since they have to swap the old parts from the old motor otherwise.
Bottom line is the most you should be paying, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, is ~$250 and then that's only if you want to pay for the convenience of having that stuff done at the same time.
06-09-2008, 04:06 PM
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am sorry to hear about your issues.
i'm not that up-2-speed with pricing on a new engine. but, if they are charging u $3,300 + tax altogether, then that is still about $1,500 to $2,000 cheaper than buying a new engine and paying for the labor of installing it at the dealer?
am i correct?
i'm not that up-2-speed with pricing on a new engine. but, if they are charging u $3,300 + tax altogether, then that is still about $1,500 to $2,000 cheaper than buying a new engine and paying for the labor of installing it at the dealer?
am i correct?
06-09-2008, 06:01 PM
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Hey guys, my 04 with 87K miles stalled on me for the 3rd time in as many months (on the same day that the 100K mile extended engine warranty went into effect). Had it towed to the dealer, they said they think it needs an engine but they would have to do all the tests to find out. They informed me that I would have to pay for the tests, which comes to about $300. They called me back the next day and said that Mazda will pay for the engine core and all the labor, but that I will be responsible for all the other misc. parts. This includes a new cat, spark plugs, plug wires, coils, coolant, oil and filter. They estimated my total bill to be about $3000. I was shocked to say the least, seems that mazda is going to raid my wallet one way or another. I have looked around online, and it seems that I can get the oem parts myself for about half of that. The big thing of course is the catalytic converter, which they said would cost me $1850. The funny thing is I have another mazda dealer telling me they that the retail is about $1400 and they can sell me one for $1224. So where is the $1850 coming from? Anyway, I am fortunate that this extended warranty saved me from having to buy an engine, but it seems to me that if they recognize that there are major issues with these engines, then they should go ahead and fix all of it. I expect to get at least 100K miles out of any vehicle before having to spend thousands in repairs. Or maybe I am just expecting too much? I requested additional assistance from Mazda, and was denied.
06-09-2008, 06:26 PM
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Update: The parts manager from the dealership called me today. He said he had looked up an old part number or something for the cat when he quoted me the $1850. I didn't really understand what he was talking about, but it seemed as though he was saying he could sell me one a little cheaper. He knew I had told the service guy that I would prbably just find my own parts and bring to them, and he was very curious as to what prices I had found for the cat. I told him that I had ordered the cat, plugs, wires and coils for a little over $1300. I knew he damn sure wasn't going to match that price, and he told me to let him know when I had the parts. Through this whole process, I have been emailing Mazda customer assistance, and they have been very blunt that they are not going to help me at all. Here is a a quote from the last email I received:
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
06-09-2008, 06:37 PM
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Update: The parts manager from the dealership called me today. He said he had looked up an old part number or something for the cat when he quoted me the $1850. I didn't really understand what he was talking about, but it seemed as though he was saying he could sell me one a little cheaper. He knew I had told the service guy that I would prbably just find my own parts and bring to them, and he was very curious as to what prices I had found for the cat. I told him that I had ordered the cat, plugs, wires and coils for a little over $1300. I knew he damn sure wasn't going to match that price, and he told me to let him know when I had the parts. Through this whole process, I have been emailing Mazda customer assistance, and they have been very blunt that they are not going to help me at all. Here is a a quote from the last email I received:
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
06-09-2008, 07:55 PM
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Its pretty easy for older engines, say, from the 80s 90s, to last over 200K miles.
but these days, with much gay"er" emission standards, You'll be lucky to see them go over 150K without repairs. reason? well, emission is just one of them, Engine oil is another one, plus many others.
but these days, with much gay"er" emission standards, You'll be lucky to see them go over 150K without repairs. reason? well, emission is just one of them, Engine oil is another one, plus many others.
I see what you are saying but saying 150k is lucky well... 100k should be a cakewalk.
06-09-2008, 08:05 PM
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am sorry to hear about your issues.
i'm not that up-2-speed with pricing on a new engine. but, if they are charging u $3,300 + tax altogether, then that is still about $1,500 to $2,000 cheaper than buying a new engine and paying for the labor of installing it at the dealer?
am i correct?
i'm not that up-2-speed with pricing on a new engine. but, if they are charging u $3,300 + tax altogether, then that is still about $1,500 to $2,000 cheaper than buying a new engine and paying for the labor of installing it at the dealer?
am i correct?
looks like there might be caveats w/ this extended warranty, tho sounds like your dealer might also be a d*****bag
06-09-2008, 08:13 PM
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Update: The parts manager from the dealership called me today. He said he had looked up an old part number or something for the cat when he quoted me the $1850. I didn't really understand what he was talking about, but it seemed as though he was saying he could sell me one a little cheaper. He knew I had told the service guy that I would prbably just find my own parts and bring to them, and he was very curious as to what prices I had found for the cat. I told him that I had ordered the cat, plugs, wires and coils for a little over $1300. I knew he damn sure wasn't going to match that price, and he told me to let him know when I had the parts. Through this whole process, I have been emailing Mazda customer assistance, and they have been very blunt that they are not going to help me at all. Here is a a quote from the last email I received:
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Give someone an inch and they demand a mile.... Rudely.
06-10-2008, 05:23 PM
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"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
06-10-2008, 05:40 PM
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Update: The parts manager from the dealership called me today. He said he had looked up an old part number or something for the cat when he quoted me the $1850. I didn't really understand what he was talking about, but it seemed as though he was saying he could sell me one a little cheaper. He knew I had told the service guy that I would prbably just find my own parts and bring to them, and he was very curious as to what prices I had found for the cat. I told him that I had ordered the cat, plugs, wires and coils for a little over $1300. I knew he damn sure wasn't going to match that price, and he told me to let him know when I had the parts. Through this whole process, I have been emailing Mazda customer assistance, and they have been very blunt that they are not going to help me at all. Here is a a quote from the last email I received:
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
"The extended warranty is for the engine core, not the complete engine. Please read the warranty extension again. Also, the catalytic converter is under the Federal Warranty. It has expired on your vehicle. That is a majority of the cost. Have the dealership show you the breakdown for details. No assistance will be provided further. This is the final decision"
Please note that I never questioned what the warranty covered, simply requested that they help me out on this. I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask, didn't really expect them to though.
Again it is very easy to determine if the cat. is bad. If they don't know for sure then they are full of crap.
Instructions for determining if cat is bad on RX8.
1)Check to see if getting bad cat. CEL. if no proceed to step two. If yes replace cat.
2)Unbolt front of cat. and visually inspect inside for any signs of melted element or clogged flowpath. This is readily apparent as it looks like globs of white cement and rocks.
3)If no clogging and no cell then flow test cat. Drill small hole in front of and behind cat. and measure pressure difference across cat when running with water manometer or other pressure gauge.
06-10-2008, 06:08 PM
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