Engine Dead @ 87K
06-07-2008, 11:18 PM
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Huge hole is huge
The warranty only has the Housings + internals covered. That means the Rotors, seals, housings, housing seals. Everything else on the car is NOT covered.
*Edit* this is covered..essentially.
*Edit* this is covered..essentially.
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06-08-2008, 12:30 AM
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Huge hole is huge
I'd agree, if he had the ability. If he's like me, he doesn't have the tools/knowledge/ability to rebuild an engine. He should argue the price, first. If all, and I mean ALL else fails, he can rebuild. I'd call that a last ditch effort, though. I mean, not everybody lives in a house where they have a garage. That makes it hard. So if he can rebuild, do it. If he can't, argue price, then look at at outsourcing the rebuild to someone more capable.
06-08-2008, 09:32 AM
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yeah im not trying to discourage you or bust any bubbles but....when mine died at 76k about 7 months ago i went through all kinds of crap with mna the stealership attorneys and the whole nine yards trying to get somthing taken care of with my car, but after all was said and done i was still going to be pulling 5k outa some where and with a very limited waranty if anything. and even with the notice that i just received from mna about waranty extension and reimbursment for repairs its still a rip off because of all there conditions to make this happen (some listed in your post). i fought with them for 2 months and gave up dealing with those crooks. If you can stand to spend the money try contacting some people in this forum about helping you diagnose your problems and getting them taken care of. I have found many people here are very helpful and full of good info on our overly complicated cars. Hell people have even been helping me with putting in a nissan motor so i know they can help you. good luck to you and i hope all goes well for ya.
06-08-2008, 09:46 AM
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When I saw this extended warranty released by Mazda, I, along with everyone else, was praising Mazda for making this move. It seemed they were giving us piece of mind. I guess what frustrates me is that Mazda is going to make some money off of you one way or another. If this new warranty had not come out, I would be finding someone to rebuild it. I have always run mustangs and can work on those, but this is my first rotary and im not comfortable working on it myself. I will get the parts myself and save some $$, I don't think they are going to let me use a cat that is not new though. And I still have to pay for the $300 worth of tests, which I do not understand.
06-08-2008, 10:00 AM
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I don't understand how everyone is blaming Mazda for being corrks after they yet AGAIN extended the warranty on this car. When many peopel bought it, it had a 5k mile warranty... how can you complain if your engive dies after tha? I really don't get it.
06-08-2008, 10:02 AM
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Look guys if you don't wnat to take advantage of the FREE warranty extension, don't, but to complain abotu it is silly!
06-08-2008, 10:35 AM
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I'm complaining about a car that has had chronic problems from the day they produced it. I wish I had not bought an 04, but its too late for that. You can bow your head to Mazda all you want, but im not.
06-08-2008, 12:39 PM
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So this is what Mazda was really up to when they decided to extend the warranty on the rotary core components to 100,000 miles last month. I already knew there was a catch, but I didn't think it was this bad. "You'll get a free rotary core if you buy a CAT from us." 
(By the way I never had any problems with my 04 with the exception of batteries going bad)
(By the way I never had any problems with my 04 with the exception of batteries going bad)
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06-08-2008, 01:30 PM
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I'm not bowing my head to Mazda, but I'm not expecting them to make up for my lack of judgement either. The rotary has NEVER been as reliable as a piston engine.
06-08-2008, 01:42 PM
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I sadly assumed it to be like my n/a rotaries of yesteryear that lasted 150K+... How foolish of me to expect an engine of the year (2003) to last more than 70K
06-08-2008, 01:44 PM
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You need a better dealership to be perfectly honest.
There is nothing wrong with charging for the list of parts they gave you, but to say that you need a brand new OEM cat to do warranty work is bullshit. Their price on it is also bullshit. The fact they did not refund your diagnostic fee when they found the core to be bad is bullshit.
In short, the dealership is falling back on MANO's policies in such a way as to gouge you out of as much money as possible, because they won't get paid a single dime for all the labor involved in replacing the engine core. This has nothing to do with Mazda and everything to do with a greedy stealership.
There is nothing wrong with charging for the list of parts they gave you, but to say that you need a brand new OEM cat to do warranty work is bullshit. Their price on it is also bullshit. The fact they did not refund your diagnostic fee when they found the core to be bad is bullshit.
In short, the dealership is falling back on MANO's policies in such a way as to gouge you out of as much money as possible, because they won't get paid a single dime for all the labor involved in replacing the engine core. This has nothing to do with Mazda and everything to do with a greedy stealership.
06-08-2008, 02:29 PM
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You need a better dealership to be perfectly honest.
There is nothing wrong with charging for the list of parts they gave you, but to say that you need a brand new OEM cat to do warranty work is bullshit. Their price on it is also bullshit. The fact they did not refund your diagnostic fee when they found the core to be bad is bullshit.
In short, the dealership is falling back on MANO's policies in such a way as to gouge you out of as much money as possible, because they won't get paid a single dime for all the labor involved in replacing the engine core. This has nothing to do with Mazda and everything to do with a greedy stealership.
There is nothing wrong with charging for the list of parts they gave you, but to say that you need a brand new OEM cat to do warranty work is bullshit. Their price on it is also bullshit. The fact they did not refund your diagnostic fee when they found the core to be bad is bullshit.
In short, the dealership is falling back on MANO's policies in such a way as to gouge you out of as much money as possible, because they won't get paid a single dime for all the labor involved in replacing the engine core. This has nothing to do with Mazda and everything to do with a greedy stealership.
I agree, shop around fo rhte parts elsewhere. Go online to the Rosenthal site, i think its finishlineperformance.com
I don't see hwo it's outrageous to require a new OEM cat. after 87k. It likely has very little life left anyways. Requewst all of the parts that are being replaced out of warranty to be returned to you, and then if your new stuff goes, you have short time replacements.
06-08-2008, 03:45 PM
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yea i will definately get all of my old parts from the old motor. I know everything is in decent shape except for the cat, which may or may not be any good. You know, I don't really have much of a problem paying for all of these parts because I know they are all things that eventually have to be replaced anyway. But when they tell me that the cost of a new cat is $1850? Come on, thats just robbery. It's a catch, plain and simple. If the price was reasonable, I still wouldn't be 100% happy, but I would go along with it. The funny thing is that my wife is the one who was originally talking to the service people because I was working out of town. They probably thought they were about to take advantage of a woman who doesn't know any better.
06-08-2008, 06:04 PM
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check with the forum vendor rosenthal mazda on the cat, I agree that's ridiculous. The rest is a worthwhile catch for something we didnt have last week if you ask me. There is no reason you can't get your old stuff, as they only get turned in to mazda when they are replaced under warranty
06-09-2008, 06:58 AM
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No offense, but you obviously did NO research before buying your car. I did and still ended up here. I assumed that the engine was a 70k mile plus or minus kind of thing, and have been pleasantly surprised to see people getting well voer 100k.
I'm not bowing my head to Mazda, but I'm not expecting them to make up for my lack of judgement either. The rotary has NEVER been as reliable as a piston engine.
I'm not bowing my head to Mazda, but I'm not expecting them to make up for my lack of judgement either. The rotary has NEVER been as reliable as a piston engine.
70k...your kidding right? A car shouldn't even be brouht to market these days if it can't swing 100k no problems.
06-09-2008, 08:22 AM
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Hey guys, my 04 with 87K miles stalled on me for the 3rd time in as many months (on the same day that the 100K mile extended engine warranty went into effect). Had it towed to the dealer, they said they think it needs an engine but they would have to do all the tests to find out. They informed me that I would have to pay for the tests, which comes to about $300. They called me back the next day and said that Mazda will pay for the engine core and all the labor, but that I will be responsible for all the other misc. parts. This includes a new cat, spark plugs, plug wires, coils, coolant, oil and filter. They estimated my total bill to be about $3000. I was shocked to say the least, seems that mazda is going to raid my wallet one way or another. I have looked around online, and it seems that I can get the oem parts myself for about half of that. The big thing of course is the catalytic converter, which they said would cost me $1850. The funny thing is I have another mazda dealer telling me they that the retail is about $1400 and they can sell me one for $1224. So where is the $1850 coming from? Anyway, I am fortunate that this extended warranty saved me from having to buy an engine, but it seems to me that if they recognize that there are major issues with these engines, then they should go ahead and fix all of it. I expect to get at least 100K miles out of any vehicle before having to spend thousands in repairs. Or maybe I am just expecting too much? I requested additional assistance from Mazda, and was denied.
06-09-2008, 11:50 AM
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Good call here. Also Have them just do the work that is covered then bring it to a 3rd party shop to see what you really need. I will bet you come in well under $1000.
dealer is looking to screw you over it sounds like.
Kevin
dealer is looking to screw you over it sounds like.
Kevin
06-09-2008, 11:59 AM
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Mazda pays for warranty labor, simply less then customers do.
I agree, shop around fo rhte parts elsewhere. Go online to the Rosenthal site, i think its finishlineperformance.com
I don't see hwo it's outrageous to require a new OEM cat. after 87k. It likely has very little life left anyways. Requewst all of the parts that are being replaced out of warranty to be returned to you, and then if your new stuff goes, you have short time replacements.
I agree, shop around fo rhte parts elsewhere. Go online to the Rosenthal site, i think its finishlineperformance.com
I don't see hwo it's outrageous to require a new OEM cat. after 87k. It likely has very little life left anyways. Requewst all of the parts that are being replaced out of warranty to be returned to you, and then if your new stuff goes, you have short time replacements.
I agreed that Rotary is different, and We have much higher exhaust temp which leads to faster CAT failure. but I expect the CAT to last at least 100K miles without problems.
06-09-2008, 12:02 PM
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Mazda only covers the short block itself. nothing else.
I think thats reasonable.
Its just that most dealership these days are nothing but a bunch of greedy crooks. They always try to find new ways to rip people off, so they can have a bigger end-year bonus.
Its just sad that most people still believe in "No one knows better on your car than Mazda(or any Manufacture) dealer", my ***. I am dare to say most dealership people doesnt know **** about the car they're working on, all they do is follow the freaking Service manual. WOW, so easy even caveman can do it.
I think thats reasonable.
Its just that most dealership these days are nothing but a bunch of greedy crooks. They always try to find new ways to rip people off, so they can have a bigger end-year bonus.
Its just sad that most people still believe in "No one knows better on your car than Mazda(or any Manufacture) dealer", my ***. I am dare to say most dealership people doesnt know **** about the car they're working on, all they do is follow the freaking Service manual. WOW, so easy even caveman can do it.