Email from my mazda dealer
09-06-2002, 04:22 PM
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ok i guys i just got back from irvine mazda. i met with the guy from the email, fleet manager, greg foster. it was a pretty long meeting and him trying to bullshiet alot. he said there was a waiting list but he didnt know of ANY deposits being put on the RX-8. then i showed him my deposit sheet, and he seemed surprised, then he made what looked to be a FAKE phone call to some guy, apparently trying to put on a show for me, dunno if anybody was on the other end of the line, doubt it. he just basically said that i put a deposit on a car which i/them have no idea what it is. and that i should talk to the guy i put the deposit with and maybe even get my money back. he said that there will be people willing to pay 5k over msrp for this car. so basically we got nothing accomplished, and im in search of a new dealer that is willing to state msrp with deposit.
btw i also stoped by franks irvine subaru(which is just down the street) and i was planing to put a deposit on the wrx sti, but the lady told me their not taking deposits yet and just put my name on the waiting list.
btw i also stoped by franks irvine subaru(which is just down the street) and i was planing to put a deposit on the wrx sti, but the lady told me their not taking deposits yet and just put my name on the waiting list.
09-06-2002, 04:33 PM
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that just flat out sucks...
sounds like they misled you big time....
Sorry to hear that....
But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....
just to let you know...
sounds like they misled you big time....
Sorry to hear that....
But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....
just to let you know...
09-06-2002, 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by houstonRX8
that just flat out sucks...
sounds like they misled you big time....
Sorry to hear that....
But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....
just to let you know...
that just flat out sucks...
sounds like they misled you big time....
Sorry to hear that....
But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....
just to let you know...
09-06-2002, 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by danielk015
hey wassup man.. i am in the irvine area and was thinking about contacting some dealers like irvine for desposits on the car... did you get any info from irvine like when the car is coming, when the specs are coming out, when you can choose the options and how many rx-8's they will be getting?? just wanted to know cuz i was plannin gon calling irvine mazda soon and dont want to get the run around and bull$hit... there are not too many mazda dealers here but i think there will be some to sell at MSRP... any info will help.. thanks.
hey wassup man.. i am in the irvine area and was thinking about contacting some dealers like irvine for desposits on the car... did you get any info from irvine like when the car is coming, when the specs are coming out, when you can choose the options and how many rx-8's they will be getting?? just wanted to know cuz i was plannin gon calling irvine mazda soon and dont want to get the run around and bull$hit... there are not too many mazda dealers here but i think there will be some to sell at MSRP... any info will help.. thanks.
do not go to irvine mazda. they dont know shiet, its sad when the consumer knows more then the dealer. im going to looking around for other dealers. let me know if u find a good dealer
09-06-2002, 05:06 PM
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I think what Toad is saying is that you can give a factual account of what happened to you, but you can't give a subjective opinion of the company that did it to you....
IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....
IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....
09-06-2002, 05:09 PM
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But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....
09-07-2002, 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by BlueAdept
I think what Toad is saying is that you can give a factual account of what happened to you, but you can't give a subjective opinion of the company that did it to you....
IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....
I think what Toad is saying is that you can give a factual account of what happened to you, but you can't give a subjective opinion of the company that did it to you....
IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....
Hence: No "Mazda Dealers" forum, and the disclaimer and tight moderation of the Northstar vendor page.
09-08-2002, 02:11 AM
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do not go to irvine mazda. they dont know shiet, its sad when the consumer knows more then the dealer. im going to looking around for other dealers.
09-08-2002, 10:15 AM
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Mazda had a problem with dealers charging way over the MSRP for the first gen RX-7. They had such a problem with it that they told all dealers to stop it. They couldn't market the car as an affordable car if the dealers were giving everyone the shaft. It makes Mazda look bad and I bet they will be concerned here too. Do not pay extra to be the first guy on your street to own an RX-8.
09-08-2002, 10:53 AM
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The only problem is that there isn't much that Mazda can do about what the dealers charge. They can't force them to charge MSRP. Otherwise they can get in trouble for price fixing. But I am sure that Mazda is going to tie in some dealer bonuses for those that don't charge above MSRP.
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09-08-2002, 02:01 PM
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houstonRX8, I am not clear on how charging MSRP would be considered price fixing or collusion. Saturn, if I'm not mistaken, has a no bargin policy or fixed priced product don't they? I did a little more research on the way collusion or price fixing would apply to car dealers. One way would be that Nissan and Mazda both agree to charge the RX-8 and the 350Z at the SAME exact price. That way they Either one will not undercut each other. Or "toms Mazda" and "Jen's Mazda" dealers have a secrete meeting to fix prices at a specific price point that they don't undercut each other either. This is price fixing. Charging at MSRP or over is not. If Sony was able to control the prices of the PS2 [during its launch] at Walmart or wherever it was sold [except Ebay] why can't Mazda do something similar. This I don't get. 
09-08-2002, 02:26 PM
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houstonRX8, I am not clear on how charging MSRP would be considered price fixing or collusion. Saturn, if I'm not mistaken, has a no bargin policy or fixed priced product don't they? I did a little more research on the way collusion or price fixing would apply to car dealers. One way would be that Nissan and Mazda both agree to charge the RX-8 and the 350Z at the SAME exact price. That way they Either one will not undercut each other. Or "toms Mazda" and "Jen's Mazda" dealers have a secrete meeting to fix prices at a specific price point that they don't undercut each other either. This is price fixing. Charging at MSRP or over is not. If Sony was able to control the prices of the PS2 [during its launch] at Walmart or wherever it was sold [except Ebay] why can't Mazda do something similar. This I don't get.
houstonRX8, I am not clear on how charging MSRP would be considered price fixing or collusion. Saturn, if I'm not mistaken, has a no bargin policy or fixed priced product don't they? I did a little more research on the way collusion or price fixing would apply to car dealers. One way would be that Nissan and Mazda both agree to charge the RX-8 and the 350Z at the SAME exact price. That way they Either one will not undercut each other. Or "toms Mazda" and "Jen's Mazda" dealers have a secrete meeting to fix prices at a specific price point that they don't undercut each other either. This is price fixing. Charging at MSRP or over is not. If Sony was able to control the prices of the PS2 [during its launch] at Walmart or wherever it was sold [except Ebay] why can't Mazda do something similar. This I don't get.
So this would give the dealers a good reason to keep their cars at MSRP, because if they didn't Mazda would be hesitant in supplying them with more. And this in the end helps the consumer who wants to purchase a nice car at a nice price.
09-08-2002, 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Toadman
Hey Tribal, remember that dealers are getting MAZDASPEED Proteges in a couple weeks, and the Mazda6 will be in the showrooms in November. The "8" is not on the front burner just yet. Of course you know more about the "8" than they do, because you have a genuine personal interest in it(we all do) and do your 'net research. You can't expect them to know very much, anymore than Nissan salespersons know about the 350z.
Hey Tribal, remember that dealers are getting MAZDASPEED Proteges in a couple weeks, and the Mazda6 will be in the showrooms in November. The "8" is not on the front burner just yet. Of course you know more about the "8" than they do, because you have a genuine personal interest in it(we all do) and do your 'net research. You can't expect them to know very much, anymore than Nissan salespersons know about the 350z.
09-08-2002, 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by houstonRX8
The only problem is that there isn't much that Mazda can do about what the dealers charge. They can't force them to charge MSRP.
The only problem is that there isn't much that Mazda can do about what the dealers charge. They can't force them to charge MSRP.
Buy from a Mazdaspeed approved dealer. These are the crème de la crème of Mazda dealers. They must meet certain requirements to qualify to be a Mazdaspeed dealer, high customer care and service being among those requirements.
09-08-2002, 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by tribal azn
thats no excuse... someone thats trying to sell me a car should know more about the car then me, the consumer. if i were a dealer and had a new car arriving much less an rx-8, then i would be excitied as hell and be trying to find out all i can about the car. irvine mazda dealers should know even more since mazda headquarters are located in irvine!!!!!
thats no excuse... someone thats trying to sell me a car should know more about the car then me, the consumer. if i were a dealer and had a new car arriving much less an rx-8, then i would be excitied as hell and be trying to find out all i can about the car. irvine mazda dealers should know even more since mazda headquarters are located in irvine!!!!!
Dealers and salespeople sell the current line. Most dealers are no actively trying to sell the RX-8 to anyone yet. If they are trying to sell you an RX-8, they should be able to give you some information, but probably nothing you don't already know. And they will only take a token deposit, not a full pre-payment.
Some dealers are excited as hell about the RX-8, and are taking deposits, promising MSRP pricing, and info as it becomes available.
Proximity to headquarters has little to do with one dealer knowing more than another. Once info is distributed to a dealer in Irvine (or anywhere else) in this age of technology, it is all over the world the same day. Mazda is notoriously tight lipped about upcoming surprises, and sensitive info...
09-08-2002, 07:24 PM
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When my father went to look at the Lexus SC430, we got into a conversation with the salesperson about some dealers charging over invoice etc....This particular dealership wasn't....and I asked the salesman if Lexus told them they couldn't charge more than the MSRP...(obviously I missed the first part of the conversation)...the salesman told me that Lexus COULD NOT dictate what the dealer charged because it would be considered price fixing...
that was the angle I was trying to share...If I am wrong then I apologize...
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that was the angle I was trying to share...If I am wrong then I apologize...
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09-09-2002, 12:49 AM
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i visited some local dealers here in the area, and called several.. will fill u guys in tomorrow.. it is interesting what i found out... most u wont be surprised though
09-09-2002, 02:45 PM
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hi guys,
called one of the local mazda dealerships in the northern virginia area and he stated the car will come out around may 2003(tentative). i also asked him about a waiting list and his reply was there was a non-refundable $500 deposit as well as a $3900 markup. as much as i want this car, i may just pass and decide on something else. i really hope that a dealer in the area is willing to sell at the msrp at least!!!!!
called one of the local mazda dealerships in the northern virginia area and he stated the car will come out around may 2003(tentative). i also asked him about a waiting list and his reply was there was a non-refundable $500 deposit as well as a $3900 markup. as much as i want this car, i may just pass and decide on something else. i really hope that a dealer in the area is willing to sell at the msrp at least!!!!!
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just got off the phone w/ someone at a mazda dealership about an hour from where i live in northern va. his company is charging $200 refundable deposit AND will NOT have any markup over MSRP. talked to the guy for about 10 mins over the phone and seemed like a straight shooter. i'm gonna go this weekend and talk to him face to face and see what the real deal is. oh yeah, he said they'll be out 2nd week of june if that means anything......
09-09-2002, 03:17 PM
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evry reputable dealer i have talked to and heard about here is taking fully refundable deposits and agreeing to sell the car at msrp in writing. do not even bother to talk to that dealer again except to tell them they lost a sale when you put your deposit at another dealer 
i wonder what some of the dealers that are talking markups are thinking? they could be doing it for several reasons:
a)they know or have guessed that their allocation wil be zero so they are trying to show mazda that they can sell them even at an inflated price.
b)they could just be trying to make sure that the buyer really wants one. so they can use the sales as leverage to up their allocation.
c)use it as leverage against the buyer to try to talk them into another car that they have available now
d) none of the above, they are just greedy bastards!
i wonder what some of the dealers that are talking markups are thinking? they could be doing it for several reasons:
a)they know or have guessed that their allocation wil be zero so they are trying to show mazda that they can sell them even at an inflated price.
b)they could just be trying to make sure that the buyer really wants one. so they can use the sales as leverage to up their allocation.
c)use it as leverage against the buyer to try to talk them into another car that they have available now
d) none of the above, they are just greedy bastards!
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09-11-2002, 03:38 PM
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about the wrx sti
i know for a fact that only 700 sti will be realeased into the us this next year 03-04 they are taking deposits and the subaru in costa mesa already sold 3 of them and i saw the papers and the contracts for signing on for preorders or deposits. have fun getting one of those. i was told that one of the 3 sold went for 55,000 but thats prolly BS.
09-11-2002, 05:29 PM
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Re: about the wrx sti
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i know for a fact that only 700 sti will be realeased into the us this next year 03-04 they are taking deposits and the subaru in costa mesa already sold 3 of them and i saw the papers and the contracts for signing on for preorders or deposits. have fun getting one of those. i was told that one of the 3 sold went for 55,000 but thats prolly BS.
i know for a fact that only 700 sti will be realeased into the us this next year 03-04 they are taking deposits and the subaru in costa mesa already sold 3 of them and i saw the papers and the contracts for signing on for preorders or deposits. have fun getting one of those. i was told that one of the 3 sold went for 55,000 but thats prolly BS.
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09-11-2002, 09:17 PM
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Hey Dankgummy-
What dealer and where in NoVA? I'm in Richmond, and the only two Mazda dealers here are completely scummy. Since my in-laws live in Manassas, it wouldn't be completely out of my way to drop by this dealer you're referring to...I'd rather not have to go out of state if I don't have to.
What dealer and where in NoVA? I'm in Richmond, and the only two Mazda dealers here are completely scummy. Since my in-laws live in Manassas, it wouldn't be completely out of my way to drop by this dealer you're referring to...I'd rather not have to go out of state if I don't have to.
09-13-2002, 11:27 AM
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elara,
it's the mazda dealership in fredericksburg va. can't recall the name, but just type it in a search engine. i think i'm going this saturday to put a deposit down.
it's the mazda dealership in fredericksburg va. can't recall the name, but just type it in a search engine. i think i'm going this saturday to put a deposit down.