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Old 07-06-2004, 07:53 PM
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Arattle,
if you were on the ramp from 495 to 95N and I honked a couple of short bursts then that was me. Hope I didn't startle you. Didn't realize the 8 was dealer car until I went by.
Despite all the 8s in the Baltimore DC area, I rarely find one on the road with me. I always acknowledge fellow 8s.
Did you get your 8 yet?
Now that you have driven one you will be hooked. It's too late ... Give in and buy it. You won't be disappointed.
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Old 07-06-2004, 08:02 PM
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Doesn't matter what you did right or wrong. In the big picture you are O.K. You learned something and you are here to talk about it - and remember it next time........

When you are driving your new 8.

Glad you are OK.
Old 07-06-2004, 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by RenoIV
Arattle,
if you were on the ramp from 495 to 95N and I honked a couple of short bursts then that was me. Hope I didn't startle you. Didn't realize the 8 was dealer car until I went by.
Despite all the 8s in the Baltimore DC area, I rarely find one on the road with me. I always acknowledge fellow 8s.
Did you get your 8 yet?
Now that you have driven one you will be hooked. It's too late ... Give in and buy it. You won't be disappointed.
Pm me if I can answer any ?s you might have.
Yep, that was me. I saw you are from Columbia, figured there's only so many 8s on the road. I was all set to get that titanium gray, and decided to sleep on it, then went to Gaithersburg the day after (fourth of July) and got a sweet deal on a Nordic Green GT 6-speed. Couldn't be happier. I actually live in Philly, but was visiting parents in MD, so the ride back home to PA was my best yet. The car is amazing, this was probably the best decision of my life! Thanks for honking, that made me feel special on the road, too :D

-arattle
Old 07-06-2004, 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Gord96BRG
From the Owners Manual, page 5-21:

You were simply driving waaay too fast for that corner. DSC would have made no difference - you were either going over the edge or into the wall. DSC can not magically create traction.

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Yes, one thing I have been very careful to avoid is pushing the car to the limits with DSC on until I reach the point when physics out does DSC and I totally lose the car. On the streets if DSC engages I know I was pushing too hard. On the track or an empty parking lot, I'll turn off DSC and learn the true limits. If I spin out I've reached the limits, but the loss of control is in a safe place. The fact is there are two totally different limits, one with DSC on (and if you lose it here you will most likely be at a high rate of speed), and one with DSC off (if you lose it here, it will be at a much lower speed probally).
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I read another string on this site where someone was able to go from between 15-16 mpg to 24 mpg by turning off the DSC. That's a huge savings on gas, over $600 per year for me, if true. I'm gonna try turning it off for daily driving to and from work. If I'm driving on a windy road I'll turn it on then.
Old 07-06-2004, 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by rackontop I read another string on this site where someone was able to go from between 15-16 mpg to 24 mpg by turning off the DSC. That's a huge savings on gas, over $600 per year for me, if true. .....
That's absolute BS. But do try it as I did.

I've driven for many tankfulls with TCS/DSC both on and both off. I calculate my mpg every single fill-up. The difference in mpg is not noticeable for me.

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Old 07-07-2004, 12:14 AM
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Here's a link to that string, it's an interesting read:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...e&pagenumber=1
Old 07-07-2004, 12:22 AM
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Old 07-07-2004, 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Aratinga
However, now that you have admitted that you were speeding and had deliberately and completely disabled the traction control and stability control features of your automobile, we are reconsidering our coverage of this accident.

From reports that I have read from insurance companies, an admission of turning off the DSC wouldn't even be necessary. Supposedly, the PCM freezes its memory when there is an airbag deployment. The police and the insurance companies are reading the PCM and using as evidence.
Old 07-07-2004, 02:41 PM
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Gang: take your foot off ZGlide's throat - it sounds to me like he realizes he made a mistake, which is what generally leads to a learning eperience and the likelihood that it won't be repeated. Any of you ever made a mistake behind the wheel that could've gotten you or someone else killed? Uh-huh, thought so. Me too. Some drivers clearly shouldn't be on the road, but Z doesn't strike me as one.

Glad you're okay - and that the 8 protected you in what sounds like a horrific crash.
Old 07-07-2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by boothguy
Gang: take your foot off ZGlide's throat - it sounds to me like he realizes he made a mistake, which is what generally leads to a learning eperience and the likelihood that it won't be repeated.
Not quite - it sounds like he still thinks that he would have been fine flying around that corner, if only he'd left the DSC on. Fact is that he expects DSC to work miracles, but he still would have crashed on that corner at that speed. DSC would have changed the dynamics of the crash, but it still would have happened.

DSC was NOT a factor in his crash - excessive speed was the only problem. He doesn't seem to recognize that fact yet.

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Old 07-07-2004, 03:21 PM
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Yeah the way it's sounding is that every car that doesn't have DSC is an accident waiting to happen.....that's retarded.
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Originally posted by Gord96BRG
DSC was NOT a factor in his crash - excessive speed was the only problem.
I'm not so sure. Well yes, he was obviously being reckless. But...

If I'm picturing this correctly, he crashed on the *inside* of the corner. He actually made the corner. Well, almost, lol...

That is, he approached the corner very fast, went over the dip in the road causing a momentary loss of steering traction... in the following panic at realizing the car was NOT turning as expected and was heading for the cliff, he had the wheel turned too much when the front finally came down and got traction again, and thus he went into a slide (or even spin) and crashed into the mountain-side pole.

It sounds like he was going slow enough to make the corner, but what actually crashed him was losing control (sideways slide).

In that case, DSC *might* have prevented the loss of control, as it would have tried to keep him straight - despite his best efforts

It also might have understeered him right off the cliff edge.
Old 07-07-2004, 03:42 PM
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I would like to see some pictures.
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Originally posted by HeelnToe


It sounds like he was going slow enough to make the corner, but what actually crashed him was losing control (sideways slide).

In that case, DSC *might* have prevented the loss of control, as it would have tried to keep him straight - despite his best efforts

It also might have understeered him right off the cliff edge.
Redline in 3rd gear? He was going fast enough. That is around 90mph into a corner that is probably rated for 15-25mph.

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