Blue 350z

Whatever helps you sleep at night :p

Its not exactly rocket science driving a stick, and a 2.16 is a good 60' and that run resulted in a 15.2@91.96 run.. But I guess hope is all you fella's got But eventually reality will set in.

RX8-TX

Can he answer a simple question?

Chuck Clifford

Its not a fair pole, its an stupid slanted pole. Two catagories are for people who don't own the car, very possibly never driven the car stating their felling of how much horsepower the car has. The fifth catagory implies that if you don't have a feeling on the horsepower the only alternative would be you don't know anything about horsepower so therefore you don't have an opinion. Leaving out the most important catagory, People who don't care about horsepower, and love this new SPORTS CAR, and kept it even though they had a money back guarantee.

Blue 350z

Sure i'll answer... Here's is my honest opinion.

Exterior:
Outside needs to grow on you, looks a bit bloated from the profile only because its an odd shape. But overall its an eye catching car and looks good from most angles. IMO the Altezza style rear lights look out of place and when a licence plate is attached to the front (Its the law here in MA) it makes the front look a bit funny.

Interior:
I this its a very nice interior, I always thought that Mazda had nice interior designs with good fit and finish. IMO it may be a bit overdone with all the rotary references in the one I looked into. But compared to my Z's interior its deffinatly of a higher quality but the style and design itself (just the looks of it) are i'd say equal to my Z.

Handeling:
I'm sure it handles very well since it has large tires and weights about 3000lbs. Low weight, good suspension and large tires = good handling.

Performance:
Here were it gets ugly to me. As a single guy with no family (don't car about a cushy ride and 4 seats/doors) I wanted a performace orentated car.

The RX8 suffers from a lack of torque (5-60 numbers tell the tale, nearly 8 seconds!). Now to make this issue worse Mazda steals HP from the USA models

I have NO DOUBT that the car would be pulling 14.5 times IF it had the full advertised 247HP (probably 205ish to the wheels). But its making about 215-220HP (180ish to the wheels) which would result in exactly low 15's. Deffinatly now slow, but the performance deffinatly does not measure up to what the aggressive looks would suggest.

Economy:
Not a big deal IMO, but I drive hard and do alot of city driving. I get 20-22MPG with hard driven city miles and 29-32 on the HWY. And when gas is $2 a gallon it adds up.

Looks and styling: 8 out of 10 (after you get over the strange proportions)

Performance: If it performed as origionally advertized a 8 out of 10. As it is now, 5 out of 10.

Everyday usefullness (if your looking for that kinda thing) 9/10 (if you don't count the low torque numbers (since adding more weight to the car.. passangers.. makes this worse and the sporty goes away and drives more like a sedan) and the bad MPG)

RX8Lover

Did you notice that this is ALWAYS the fact that he backs his argument on? Always. This is ONE friggin driver.

Look, I have nothing against you. but you have to stop trying to prove your point based on one or two people's runs.

EVENTUALLY REALITY WILL SET IN... :D :D

Ike

Actually chuck if I wanted to find out if people still liked their car regardless of what HP it had I would have made a different poll. I already know the majority of you love your car no matter what hp it has and I can respect that. Just because you love your car the way it is does not mean you don't have an opinion on the matter. Many people confuse me saying I don't think the RX-8 has 238hp as an insult, it's not and I made this poll to get an idea of what owners and non owners alike think, not to determine if you like your car regardless of the HP. I'm assuming many of those people that voted they thought it had less hp still love their cars and will be keeping it regardless of the buyback.

It's like if I made a poll on what color something was and asked if it was more green, more blue, or more gray, then you chimes in with I don't care what color it is I like it. That's great and all but does that mean you can't have an oppinion on the matter?

As far as the you having more fun thing, think what you like. I love my WRX and would not trade it in for an RX-8 even though I like both cars. I like my car for my reasons you like your car for your reasons, maybe you're the one that needs to accept things since you're the one that seems pissed off in this post, not myself...

Lastly, by picking the last option in the poll you're reading into things that aren't there. I simply added it for people that have not been following the situation closely and don't know enough to have formed an oppinion. It's not like by voting for that you're saying "duuuuhhh, I don't know what horsepower is, duuuhhhh"



Ike

Gord96BRG

LOL!!! Yeah, 180-ish to the wheels on a dyno where the ECU is pulling timing and adding fuel to reduce power. Good lord, talk about ignoring the obvious - here you go again stating 180 to the wheels as if it's a fact, when it became dubious 2 weeks ago and now (today) is totally discredited. You'd better stop claiming to only state facts - you already lost any last shred of credibility you might have had when you thought bitumen was gravel, and to perversely ignore explicit information saying that RX-8 dyno runs are invalid is beyond stubborn.

Here's one simple question that you still refuse to answer - care to try answering this? For the RX-8 15.x drag runs that you claimed to have seen - did the drivers launch with a clutch drop from 8K rpm? (If not, then their time is not representative of what the car can achieve).

Regards,
Gordon

Tronics

Someones a little obsessed with HP #'s for a car you don't even own. Do we ask stupid questions like for example : How many of you WRX owners think your WRX is an ugly piece of crap? How many of you believe the WRX is the ugliest car on the market? And I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious to see how many WRX owners think that their car is ugly. So why don't you just shut the **** up with your stupid questions, get a life. Spending all your time on a rx8 forum just to start ****...YOU SIR ARE ONE IGNORANT MOTHA *****!

wleonard

aaaaahhhhh that feels good. Real good.

I finally found how to ignore certain people. Never had to use it before, but sure cleans up the board.

Ike

Don't like the poll, don't respond, no need to be an *** and try to provoke me. I think it's an interesting debate, if you don't then don't read the poll or threads on the issue.

aussie77

I've already posted the answer to this several times but of course Blue won't read that section because it proves him wrong. Of the THREE people to time at low 15's (huge data base I know), 2 of them launched at 6k rpm.

U. N. O.

i really think it doesn't. Specially when the rating in Europe is lower and they don't have emission controls like here in the US !

RX8-TX

One last question: are you finally convinced that most of us have a pretty nasty perception of you?

As I said before, this stopped being a car issue long time ago. Don't stop posting...please, keep doing so. But don't give us the impression that you have the ultimate 'word' That is perceived like what I said before (I won't repeat it)

If you have experience in drag racing, great! But don't try to preach anyone about 'facts' that are based in your OWN experience. Why? we don't know you, and icing the cake is how people feel and react to YOUR deductions based on 'facts.'

Go back to statistic analysis: we don't have a sample collection broad enough to derive in any 'facts' or universal laws that can be applied to the 8. I accept your conclusion that based on experience with other vehicles and times, it is to assume that the 8 won't reach X time, or does have X hp. However, those are assumptions based on statistics and data collected from disparate sources; which, while bound to the same elemental physic principles (and common sense) are affected by a wide array of factors (ie: traction control, weight, weather, mileage, gas, ecu, exhaust, product defect, etc.....)

Im just asking you, on a very polite manner, and with all my good faith: to look back, avoid stirring the pot, and chose your words wisely.

JJFlash

I think it's really interesting that people over the spectrum of the RX8 Forum were coming up with all of these off the wall rumors and theories about why the first deliveries of the 8 were delayed. Many who now defend the 8 no matter how many things are found and proven to be found are wrong were the same ones bashing Mazda before the car even came out. Unless every little comment on this forum is positive there are many who are quick to flame. The forum should cover all issues...not just the good ones and not just the opinions of those who will defend the car even if the engines start blowing at 20K. Let someone have a poll. In that poll you can voice all your positive comments including voting the way you want to influence a positive result. How is that negative?

rotarymagic

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blue 350z


You have Aussie and RX8Lover to blame for my behavior, they did there best to **** me off and they succeeded even when all I was doing is giving input and facts. [/QUOTE


Why would you get pissed over a car Forum?

mikeb

good point
its just a car forum

kingcar

Europe has stricter emission regs than in the US. So why wouldnt they have emission controls?

Blue 350z

Once again..

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Its not exactly rocket science driving a car down a track but you people act as if it is. When people run bad numbers all the excuses in the book come out such as (traction control, weight, weather, mileage, gas, ecu, exhaust, product defect, etc.....)

And a 2.16 is a good 60' and that run resulted in a 15.2@91.96 run.. But I guess hope is all you fella's got But eventually reality will set in.

Why don't you guys get off your collective asses and hit the 1/4? See what kind of numbers you come home with. I bet they will be nowhere near 14.5.

No matter how bad you launch you should come at least within .3-.4 of the target (and thats a really bad launch, like a 2.5+), you guys won't gain .7-.8 seconds simply from a 8k clutch drop.

I have completly bombed launches bogging and or totally smoldering the tires and even missed a gear in 115 degree track temps with high humidity and never ran worse then a 14.4@99!!

Ike

Hell, judging from the poll results I might as well have asked if you were a republican or democrat, talk about a divided community... Only difference is I think if this were a political forum the conversations would be much nicer :p

asparapani

I agree with RX22. WHO THE F*** CARES!

You like? You buy. You don't like? Don't buy!

RX-GR8

im not too sure about that.

RX8Lover

Once again, this is the ONLY argument you have. You always site this ONE run, and it is getting SOOOOOOO old. C'mon man, get a friggin life.

You are just so cool that you can get 14s even after missing a gear. I didn't realize we had Mario Andretti as a member of these forums.

U. N. O.

not all around europe they don't. The only problem u might find is that in order to make any changes to a car, it must be "pre-approved" by the government all the way from ANY tipe of tintin to wheel width to engine alterations. But they don't care for emissions that much. I am from europe, I know.

Gord96BRG

You must not have been there for a while, though - are you familiar with the EUC III and EUC IV emissions specs? EUC IV is as tough or tougher than the US specs.

Regards,
Gordon

Blue 350z

Well now you know.. Now thats cleared up we can move on..


You mean to tell me that you HONESTLY think this person that ran a 15.16@91.96 with a 2.16 60' will run a 14.5 with a better launch and/or shift faster? You are the ones saying this run was the result of "poor driving". So do you honestly think that? That a 6000 launch vs a 8000 launch its worth .7?


If all was right with the car you should be running consistantly around 14.5-14.7 with the better launches netting closer to 14.5. You peole have no clue how to analyze timeslips

I can't wait till enough time goes by so I can say "I told ya so"