Ellar

There are a lot of people out there that see someone who is through-and-through happy with a major purchase, and they have to @#$% all over it. They have to tear it down a little. Really doesn't make them feel any better, but they have to do it because of something we wouldn't know unless we grew up with them. You didn't buy the car that put that grin on your face, you bought a Focus. Wipe that smile off your face! That's what fuels a rumor like that and carries it around.

zoom44

and here is the link to the very first thread about the fender flares from sept of 2002. thats right 2002!! and you 'll see there are remarks about the focus and volvos in there also.
and i say something unrelated about the aztec

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=fender+flares

edit- the last post in that thread was mine and i said "rx-9". i probably was the first to post that i should have copyrighted it:D

Nemesis8

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Ellar

I don't think he was speaking chronologically, zoom, and your quote never says anything about the 8 being based on the Focus that guy designed. Your post there really had little to do with the original author's message. Some of you re-post police are really stretching.

The reason reposts are discouraged is that the board can end up where you have to pick through 25% Greddy turbo threads to find any content you haven't just read. They aren't discouraged so you don't have to read the word "Focus" more than five times in your life.

Sometimes new people have new ideas to share on an old topic. Please don't make them feel unwelcome.

zoom44

first off ellar- i didnt expect anybody to find that post. the only people who might even slightly remember are me herc and wakeech. i was being sarcastic and subtly making fun of myself for having been on here so long. sorry you didnt get that

second- i aint the damn re-post police. those people dont ever give links to the other posts or even contribute anything else to the conversations. i would think by now people would realize i always try to do both

third- who cares about the chronlogy? and my posts damn well do have to do with the original subject. he quoted his co-worker as saying "and he proceeded to show me the shape of the front fenders that were influenced by the Focus. " which is exactly what was discussed in the horredously old thread as well as the quote of me.

all of the cars mentioned were designed under J Mays' watch. he hda an influence on thed look of each one of them. the fenders are obviously a cue from his design ideas.

and since the focus was designed before the 8 then so were its fenders and the co-worker was correct. got it?

Ellar

Guess the humor was a little too dry for me to pick up. Sorry I dressed you down for something you didn't do.

You misquoted the co-worker buy a fair margin.

I'm sure the designer sculpts all of his fenders that way, and I know the Focus came before the 8. That doesn't mean the fenders on the 8 were influenced by the Focus. It means the designer sculpts all of his fenders that way, and the Focus came before the 8.

I (and looking back, I'm hardly alone) took the quote of the co-worker to mean he was saying the 8 was based on the Focus, like the GTO is based on that Australian GM car.

zoom44

i did not misquote- i copied and pasted. i understand the difference between after=timing an after-= based on. but both are likely true. either mays penned them himself or another person looking at his boss's previous work did. they are not exactly the same but slightly different to flow with the rest of the car. so they were penned after in time and also infuenced by the design of the focus which was influenced by the design of the audi tt which was influenced by the new beetle etc etc etc.

i agree that the co-worker was being an ***. but he was correct.

Ike

That's cool Zoom, interesting little tidbit. I've always looked at the 8 as mimicing the TT flares a bit having a somewhat similar bulbous profile, now I know why

Ellar, not sure what fender flares you're talking about on the Diablo but you may want to take a trip to the eye doctor :p

SilverEIGHT

Zoom, thanks for your input.

zoom44

you are welcome SilverEIGHT. sorry if my sarcasm about searching was misunderstood.

Ike

Damnit, I guess my everyone ignores you statement doesn't hold much water considering this

SilverEIGHT

No problem. Actually it livened the thread up! :D

Ellar

He quoted the co-worker as saying "designed after the Ford Focus". You quoted the co-worker as saying "and he proceeded to show me the shape of the front fenders that were influenced by the Focus. ".

Ike, that was my honest first reaction the first time I saw an RX-8. The first time I saw one was in person. I hadn't been following the car mags or any car-related messaging systems except the Fiero mailing list. What made me think that is the relationship between the A-pillar and the rear part of the front fender swell, and the overall roundedness of the front fender outline.

My first reaction to the TT was that it looked like a bathtub 356. The fenders didn't significantly register with me.

Beetles have always had fenders like that, so that would be why I didn't note any real similarity. Prolly the way the designer thinks about it, too.

Guys, it's quite possible for an artist to have a body of work where each piece has the same flavor without any one piece being directly derived from another in the artist's mind. The RX-8 was no more inspired by the Focus than the 1986 Cadillac Allante was inspired by the 1984 Ferrari Testarossa (both designed by Pininfarina, and both somewhat wedge shaped).

edit: switched the Ferrari with the Cadillac

MaHogoff

has anyone mentioned the simple fact that the focus *sucks* and the rx-8 rocks? I base my evidence on: one I would drive, one I would not.

In fact, one I would not be caught dead in. Can you read the obit? "Mr mahogoff was killed when his shitty POS FORD FOCUS left the road, ... AAAGH! My soul would walk the earth for eternity.

StealthFox

what the hell...

i must be NUTS because i think the focus's fenders look NOOOTHING in the ballpark of the 8s

if anything the only car with a reasonably simular flare to the rx8's is the chevrolet c3 corvette stingray...

and about the diablo's flares being simular...i have no comment.

I think Yoichi Sato-san would be very upset to hear people think that he ripped off a ford economy car's fender design

StealthFox

the focus ZX3 and SVT's arent bad cars

zoom44

there is the entire first post Ellar. i didnt change anything about it. the quote is the quote. yes i only quoted the 2nd part in the earlier post because thats the part that led me to search for the older posts. its what made me remember the earlier discussions.

Ike

The RS is a seriously impressive performance car in Europe as well. In fact I'd take one over anything Mazda currently builds in a heartbeat.

StealthFox

haha, you're so much smarter than i thought you were Ike, give me a hug :D