Bad news my Canadian friends
08-27-2003, 07:55 AM
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Here's where I stand.
I bought the GS, as I know f1michel did.
Ok so that was $37 before tax etc.
Now, let's be realistic, that was my MAX, $34 was my max but I stretched it to $37.
The 350z is nice, totally impractical, and base price is $45,400! That's 8K BEFORE tax.
The G35c well if you think it's not much more keep dreaming, the price is $51K!
The S2000, $49K!
There is NOTHING, NADA, ZIP that will compete with this car as a "sports" car for $36.
I bought the GS, as I know f1michel did.
Ok so that was $37 before tax etc.
Now, let's be realistic, that was my MAX, $34 was my max but I stretched it to $37.
The 350z is nice, totally impractical, and base price is $45,400! That's 8K BEFORE tax.
The G35c well if you think it's not much more keep dreaming, the price is $51K!
The S2000, $49K!
There is NOTHING, NADA, ZIP that will compete with this car as a "sports" car for $36.
08-27-2003, 08:14 AM
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I secong that my dear Wing, 37,900 was my max of the max and i even turned down the GT because of that. (and i'm a freak for gadgets.)
This car is great fun to drive and great value i think, 247,238 or even 225 HP !
This car is great fun to drive and great value i think, 247,238 or even 225 HP !
08-27-2003, 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by TT2RX8
What I'm afraid of is that next year Mazda fix the problem (turbo, compressor, ecu) and "me", well, get stuck with a cripple car.
I love the smoothnest of the car, the look, the feeling of driving it... but I hate the 18L/100km when I drive the car the way it should be driven.
What I'm afraid of is that next year Mazda fix the problem (turbo, compressor, ecu) and "me", well, get stuck with a cripple car.
I love the smoothnest of the car, the look, the feeling of driving it... but I hate the 18L/100km when I drive the car the way it should be driven.
Mileage - I did my 2 week, 6400 km road trip - car was cruised fast or driven hard, average for the trip was 11.8L/100km, or about 24 MPG (Imperial). Not great, but not bad.
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Gordon
08-27-2003, 09:07 AM
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11.8 is what i got on my last tank, 375 km of highway and 100 of traffic. i'll take that as an average for the year .
After all that mileage... still love the car? keeping it? returning it and buying another one right away? (with that kind of distance one it might be a good deal... i'm thinking about it ...4300km so far )
After all that mileage... still love the car? keeping it? returning it and buying another one right away? (with that kind of distance one it might be a good deal... i'm thinking about it ...4300km so far )
08-27-2003, 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by BillK
At the risk of making the metaphor increasingly tedious, it's actually a case of the vendor saying "go ahead and eat that scoop and I'll give you a full refund of your purchase price for the inconvenience."
Wrong. One month out of the life of the car is NOT a scoop, it is a lick.
If you took a beating on the transaction that's nobody's fault but your own. Fact is, unless you were being completely incompetent as a buyer, you got somewhere around market value for your car.
I did get market value. Market value on an 18 month old car is a lot less than the original purchase price. As I am sure you are aware, and are simply conveniently ignoring, the depreciation on a new car is the greatest in the first year.
This is all your problem. The car is what it always was. It is a sports car in most people's opinion. Powerful, good handling, excellent brakes, faster to 60 than most other cars on the market.
It is all of our problem. RX-8 owners all share in the problem that we were shorted in value by Mazda. Consumers share in the problem due to the fact that once again it has been shown that suppliers of goods can readily short us on goods and get away with it far too easily. This is no different than a butcher putting his thumb on the scales.
So I appreciate your frustration, I really do, but holding out for Mazda to "fix the problem" is a pipe dream at best. If it really bothers you, you have no choice but to take the refund and end up no worse off before you walked through your dealer's door...
At the risk of making the metaphor increasingly tedious, it's actually a case of the vendor saying "go ahead and eat that scoop and I'll give you a full refund of your purchase price for the inconvenience."
Wrong. One month out of the life of the car is NOT a scoop, it is a lick.
If you took a beating on the transaction that's nobody's fault but your own. Fact is, unless you were being completely incompetent as a buyer, you got somewhere around market value for your car.
I did get market value. Market value on an 18 month old car is a lot less than the original purchase price. As I am sure you are aware, and are simply conveniently ignoring, the depreciation on a new car is the greatest in the first year.
This is all your problem. The car is what it always was. It is a sports car in most people's opinion. Powerful, good handling, excellent brakes, faster to 60 than most other cars on the market.
It is all of our problem. RX-8 owners all share in the problem that we were shorted in value by Mazda. Consumers share in the problem due to the fact that once again it has been shown that suppliers of goods can readily short us on goods and get away with it far too easily. This is no different than a butcher putting his thumb on the scales.
So I appreciate your frustration, I really do, but holding out for Mazda to "fix the problem" is a pipe dream at best. If it really bothers you, you have no choice but to take the refund and end up no worse off before you walked through your dealer's door...
Giving the car back is about the equivalent of moving to a new address to avoid the bully.
But for goodness sake, when someone else tries to fight back and stop the bully, don't take sides WITH the bully!
08-27-2003, 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by f1michel
After all that mileage... still love the car? keeping it? returning it and buying another one right away? (with that kind of distance one it might be a good deal... i'm thinking about it ...4300km so far )
After all that mileage... still love the car? keeping it? returning it and buying another one right away? (with that kind of distance one it might be a good deal... i'm thinking about it ...4300km so far )
IF supply in Canada was like in the US, then I'd maybe consider possibly returning my RX-8 and buying a new zero miles RX-8 - even then, I don't think that is acting in good faith. Even though it's entirely possible for people to do that, it's not the intent of the buyback offer. The other problem is that supply in Canada is so limited that there's not much chance I'd find the same car (TiGray GT 6 spd) available around the time when I'd need it (ie end of September)... it was hard enough to get this one in the first place! :p
As it is, I doubt my car will have 20K km on it by next July - our miles are shared by 3 cars, so none of them tend to run up high miles (aside from road trips). Might as well keep this one!!
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Gordon
08-27-2003, 11:22 AM
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Very good point indeed. I'm inclined to keep mine as it is because like you said we don't get that many (700?) per year here.
Still love mine at 4300 km.
got 3 (very small ) paint chip on the front last sunday... wanted to kill the driver who was pulling a trailer full of dust and small rocks
Still love mine at 4300 km.
got 3 (very small ) paint chip on the front last sunday... wanted to kill the driver who was pulling a trailer full of dust and small rocks
08-27-2003, 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by canzoomer
I understand that you are willing to forgive them. It is not easy to admit to oneself that you have just been beaten up by a bully.
Giving the car back is about the equivalent of moving to a new address to avoid the bully.
But for goodness sake, when someone else tries to fight back and stop the bully, don't take sides WITH the bully!
I understand that you are willing to forgive them. It is not easy to admit to oneself that you have just been beaten up by a bully.
Giving the car back is about the equivalent of moving to a new address to avoid the bully.
But for goodness sake, when someone else tries to fight back and stop the bully, don't take sides WITH the bully!
I look at the entire situation as a product purchase, nothing more. If I bought a watch with a stopwatch function and I later found out the stopwatch wasn't accurate, and thus the company was offering me a full refund if I was unhappy, that would be fine with me. I wouldn't regard the company as a "bully" or anything else; they admitted a feature wasn't what it should be and offered me all my money back.
In my book you can't do better than to say "it's not what we said it would be, if you don't like it here's your money back."
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