Auto Rx8... any potential
05-05-2008, 03:13 PM
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I'll snap his neck.
05-06-2008, 12:49 AM
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1st of all the u guys i wasnt refering to valves such as intake or exhuast valves. I was refering to transmission components. So i meant DRIVE TRAINcompoents my bad. I made a mistake. ARe u some master rotoary tech anyways i will continue to voice my knowledge who are u? And yeah the auto is slower and less upgradeable. So go with the MAnual dude. Sorry again for the wrong term.
05-06-2008, 01:03 AM
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Start with easy upgrades like exhaust,pulleys,and intake. then see how much u get from there. I heard of a reflash for the pcm that could help all around in power gains so look into that as well. you can all get mechained rotors that are lighter to help out as well. so there a few thing you can look into.
05-07-2008, 06:41 AM
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1st of all the u guys i wasnt refering to valves such as intake or exhuast valves. I was refering to transmission components. So i meant DRIVE TRAINcompoents my bad. I made a mistake. ARe u some master rotoary tech anyways i will continue to voice my knowledge who are u? And yeah the auto is slower and less upgradeable. So go with the MAnual dude. Sorry again for the wrong term.
Start with easy upgrades like exhaust,pulleys,and intake. then see how much u get from there. I heard of a reflash for the pcm that could help all around in power gains so look into that as well. you can all get mechained rotors that are lighter to help out as well. so there a few thing you can look into.
05-07-2008, 07:11 AM
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I've enjoyed my manual, no complaints. I think we're seeing the power gap narrow much more and features which were previously out of reach of auto owners are now a reality.
I think the issue of auto vs. manual was more of an issue 12 or 24 months ago than it is today. If/when there's methods by which you can tweak the auto tranny to perform the way you want it I think that will make the experience more enjoyable.
In some cases I think it's more got to do with the overall path you wish to take with the vehicle. A very race oriented approach would yield a manual because you can find a sport package RX8 with no options and shed some weight. I know my manual RX8 is around 2900 lbs with a full tank of gas.
I'm not sure about the weight difference with the auto.
Otherwise the auto is much more relaxing to drive. Less work to do but you still can have some fun with the paddle shifters.
I'm just a sucker for absolute control over the car. The manual is a perfect choice for me in that regard.
With more of the manual transmission issues coming to light, it's very possible that we'll be seeing auto owners having no issues even after 100,000+ miles with proper care. To date, I've not read any auto owners experiencing transmission issues.
I think the issue of auto vs. manual was more of an issue 12 or 24 months ago than it is today. If/when there's methods by which you can tweak the auto tranny to perform the way you want it I think that will make the experience more enjoyable.
In some cases I think it's more got to do with the overall path you wish to take with the vehicle. A very race oriented approach would yield a manual because you can find a sport package RX8 with no options and shed some weight. I know my manual RX8 is around 2900 lbs with a full tank of gas.
I'm not sure about the weight difference with the auto.
Otherwise the auto is much more relaxing to drive. Less work to do but you still can have some fun with the paddle shifters.
I'm just a sucker for absolute control over the car. The manual is a perfect choice for me in that regard.
With more of the manual transmission issues coming to light, it's very possible that we'll be seeing auto owners having no issues even after 100,000+ miles with proper care. To date, I've not read any auto owners experiencing transmission issues.
05-07-2008, 07:43 AM
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I've enjoyed my manual, no complaints. I think we're seeing the power gap narrow much more and features which were previously out of reach of auto owners are now a reality.
I think the issue of auto vs. manual was more of an issue 12 or 24 months ago than it is today. If/when there's methods by which you can tweak the auto tranny to perform the way you want it I think that will make the experience more enjoyable.
In some cases I think it's more got to do with the overall path you wish to take with the vehicle. A very race oriented approach would yield a manual because you can find a sport package RX8 with no options and shed some weight. I know my manual RX8 is around 2900 lbs with a full tank of gas.
I'm not sure about the weight difference with the auto.
Otherwise the auto is much more relaxing to drive. Less work to do but you still can have some fun with the paddle shifters.
I'm just a sucker for absolute control over the car. The manual is a perfect choice for me in that regard.
With more of the manual transmission issues coming to light, it's very possible that we'll be seeing auto owners having no issues even after 100,000+ miles with proper care. To date, I've not read any auto owners experiencing transmission issues.
I think the issue of auto vs. manual was more of an issue 12 or 24 months ago than it is today. If/when there's methods by which you can tweak the auto tranny to perform the way you want it I think that will make the experience more enjoyable.
In some cases I think it's more got to do with the overall path you wish to take with the vehicle. A very race oriented approach would yield a manual because you can find a sport package RX8 with no options and shed some weight. I know my manual RX8 is around 2900 lbs with a full tank of gas.
I'm not sure about the weight difference with the auto.
Otherwise the auto is much more relaxing to drive. Less work to do but you still can have some fun with the paddle shifters.
I'm just a sucker for absolute control over the car. The manual is a perfect choice for me in that regard.
With more of the manual transmission issues coming to light, it's very possible that we'll be seeing auto owners having no issues even after 100,000+ miles with proper care. To date, I've not read any auto owners experiencing transmission issues.
There have been two documented cases of a/t failure on the forums. One from a guy that had no mods but lost his tranny and had it rebuilt by a reputable tranny shop and then there was Taj who was hell bent on destroying his. Taj finally traded off his at for an mt. 09 Factor has had a turbo behind his at for quite a while and I never hear of any problems there. I have the s/c behind mine and while I thought I was developing a problem it turned out to be tuning (the Cobb AP solved it). While I would never go so far as to say the at is bullet proof, it has (in my eyes) proved to be more resilient than others would have expected.
Now look at the threads about the mt - there are several with trans problems, but that is not to say that it's not a good product.
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05-07-2008, 09:22 AM
#44
Original Turbo 'd Auto !!
Taj is hell bent on destroying anything.
Anyway to the OP.
The only 2 reasons that keep the 4 port from making more power than the 6 port MT:
1. 2 less ports mean less total air flow through the motor
2 The Stock TQ becomes really inefficient @ high temp, high loads. There is a fix.
A 6 port AT will make very close to the same power as the 6 port MT. Only limlitation is the rev limiter.
Replace the TQ and flash it with the AP to increase the Rev limit, all good to go.
AT or MT enjoy the car.
Flashwing,
The Auto tranny adds a little over 200 lbs additional. It's near the center of gravity and I think it helps sometimes.
Anyway to the OP.
The only 2 reasons that keep the 4 port from making more power than the 6 port MT:
1. 2 less ports mean less total air flow through the motor
2 The Stock TQ becomes really inefficient @ high temp, high loads. There is a fix.
A 6 port AT will make very close to the same power as the 6 port MT. Only limlitation is the rev limiter.
Replace the TQ and flash it with the AP to increase the Rev limit, all good to go.
AT or MT enjoy the car.
Flashwing,
The Auto tranny adds a little over 200 lbs additional. It's near the center of gravity and I think it helps sometimes.
05-07-2008, 10:17 AM
#45
Taj is hell bent on destroying anything.
Anyway to the OP.
The only 2 reasons that keep the 4 port from making more power than the 6 port MT:
1. 2 less ports mean less total air flow through the motor
2 The Stock TQ becomes really inefficient @ high temp, high loads. There is a fix.
A 6 port AT will make very close to the same power as the 6 port MT. Only limlitation is the rev limiter.
Replace the TQ and flash it with the AP to increase the Rev limit, all good to go.
AT or MT enjoy the car.
Flashwing,
The Auto tranny adds a little over 200 lbs additional. It's near the center of gravity and I think it helps sometimes.
Anyway to the OP.
The only 2 reasons that keep the 4 port from making more power than the 6 port MT:
1. 2 less ports mean less total air flow through the motor
2 The Stock TQ becomes really inefficient @ high temp, high loads. There is a fix.
A 6 port AT will make very close to the same power as the 6 port MT. Only limlitation is the rev limiter.
Replace the TQ and flash it with the AP to increase the Rev limit, all good to go.
AT or MT enjoy the car.
Flashwing,
The Auto tranny adds a little over 200 lbs additional. It's near the center of gravity and I think it helps sometimes.
Unfortunately even as our two four ports can whip most 6 port mts they will never be the equal. Others say that we do not have the "driving experience" that the mt does. Try riding with some of them - The driving experience is in the drivers hands not in a choice of transmissions.
05-07-2008, 10:24 AM
#46
Original Turbo 'd Auto !!
I can keep up with every MT Rx-8 on a twisty mountain road. That has nothing to do with the car's transmission. It's how it's driven is the diffrence.
Now on the flip side of this:
If I drive it in Auto, Yea right. I wouldn't be able to keep up the mini van in front of me.
Auto, Manual, DSG,SMG, CVT, whatever, the choice is, someone will always poo-poo the owners decision, because it dosen't meet the critics view..
Take it all with a grain of salt.
Now on the flip side of this:
If I drive it in Auto, Yea right. I wouldn't be able to keep up the mini van in front of me.
Auto, Manual, DSG,SMG, CVT, whatever, the choice is, someone will always poo-poo the owners decision, because it dosen't meet the critics view..
Take it all with a grain of salt.
05-07-2008, 04:21 PM
#48
Destroying Threads
The 06+ ATs have 6 ports, the same god damn thing as the MT, the only thing holding it back is the torque converter, which will pretty much die @ 9k pm
and it's self doesn't die, it just breaks the shaft and kills the car @ 9k rpm......
go search up my old posts, I've actually tried to put an MT ECU in my old AT 6port and it ran.....at least for 5 minutes........
FYI: an AP tuned AT 8 will probably have the same power as a stock MT 8.......so there ya go (6port vs 6port)
MT fanboys, suck it retards, I bet your *** you can't shift faster than the AT's "slushbox", especially when going WOT!!!
and it's self doesn't die, it just breaks the shaft and kills the car @ 9k rpm......
go search up my old posts, I've actually tried to put an MT ECU in my old AT 6port and it ran.....at least for 5 minutes........
FYI: an AP tuned AT 8 will probably have the same power as a stock MT 8.......so there ya go (6port vs 6port)
MT fanboys, suck it retards, I bet your *** you can't shift faster than the AT's "slushbox", especially when going WOT!!!
05-07-2008, 04:24 PM
#49
Destroying Threads
FYI Phil, I never "lost" any AT tranny, I knew it was bound to happen since I put her to the 9k rpm test cus I was like " my car can take this" however, Mazda put in new one for me so its all good :D
fyi, as some of you who read the thread, the car did damn well go to 9k rpm, although the damn tranny blew up in the process
fyi, as some of you who read the thread, the car did damn well go to 9k rpm, although the damn tranny blew up in the process