Frankie's 8

I sold my rx8 a while back and havent been on the board in a while. I was one of the many who lost money to Scott at Mazsport, and I havent heard any news in a while. I searched and found nothing I needed. Has anyone gotten in touch with him or been reimbursed at all? Any information would help. Thanks in advance.

Cattywampus

I don't think anyone has been reimbursed, however I don't know any specifics of anyone's case (except one). I hear Scott is working in central Florida.

Jedi54

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No official Scott sightings as far as I know. I'm not sure how things have gone with people seeking legal action against Scott.
Last I heard the business was gone, Corporation was dissolved, and I believe he sold his house and disappeared.

http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe...s_filing_type=

rotarygod

After you guys destroyed his business, ended his marriage, and then threatened his life, is it any wonder that he isn't easy to find?

Jedi54

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We destroyed his business?
It was our fault his marriage collapsed?
I'd love to know more about this Fred.

rotarygod

What do you mean? The public lynch mob is what did the business in. If it hadn't have gone public, he'd probably still be around. I don't know why that's a question.

Jedi54

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So we're to blame for making people aware that he was robbing them?
He was robbing peter to pay paul and he couldn't even do that properly. He was taking orders until the VERY end, do you honestly believe he had any intentions of making midpipes for those customers or completing that 20b swap?

He ran a **** poor operation and putting the word out is the fault of this community?
is that not the basis for an online forum? To share information and look out for one another?

You're ignorance on this is unbelievable. Scott was free to reach out to reach to customers, he could have defended himself (he's a grown man), he could have taken steps to right the situation. He didn't owe US an explanation, he owed the people he did business with an explanation and they received no such communication.

All the "lynch mob" did was to bring awareness to a terrible situation and accelerated the inevitable. That's no fault of the people here.



As for the marriage comment: You're married and you should know that the #1 argument amongst married couples is MONEY. Of course this put a strain on his marriage. He was broke and I'm sure she wasn't too happy about it.
He put himself in that situation, no one else did.

Shijin-Kun

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Sounds serious, is there a thread on what exactly happened. What i gathered from context is he was selling midpipes. Never made them just took peoples money.

Big Money Pit

sounds like karma's a bitch.

rotarygod

Scott was a poor business man, there's not much of a question about that. He was made out to look like a blatant theif though and that's debatable as poor business management can appear to look that way pretty easily. Think about it for a minute. Why would he even try to defend himself here? So everyone could gang up on him and continue to make him look bad? From his point of view, he probably did the best thing possible which was not even try. Just look at your responses to me. You're pissed off at me for not simply being willing to blatantly accept your position but rather be a bit open minded that there could be another side of the story with another plausible explanation. You're not happy because I won't jump on the bandwagon and openly condemn him. It's based on the fact that I don't have the whole story and I'm not basing a conclusion on onesidedness regardless of what it looks like. Everyone seemed to forget all the good things he did for the community and for a while everyone absolutely loved him and stuck up for him. It was one thread that turned that around and suddenly people came out of the woodwork from nowhere and hated him. There's no point in him trying to confront it here. Don't get pissed at me for not drinking the coolaid and then laying down waiting for the mothership to arrive. I'm not dumb enough to help the rotary community by offering them anything anyways. I have my opinion. If it differs from yours, get over it and get on with life but don't be all stuck up on your high horse and imply that I'm somehow wrong for it.

Jedi54

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Geez RG, a little defensive today?
RG, I'm not mad at anyone here. Why would I be pissed at you? You've completely misread my comments.
I never did business with Scott, I never lost money to him, I am stating this as someone who has been here a while and saw all this unfold before me.

I honestly dont' care who jumps on what bandwagon, that's irrelevant to any of this. I believe that we're all free to do whatever we want. IF people choose to see things one way or disagree with me, that's fine. No big deal.

You're right, Scott did do a lot of good around here. Look at some of my posts from a few years back and see how many people I sent scott's direction when they were looking for upgrades or a Turbo. I lost track of how many times I mentioned his stuff or linked his website. I met the Mazsport crew at SevenStock and they were doing great things.
That changed quickly though. Not one thread changed that, the way Scott ran his business changed that.

More and more people were coming on here talking about having paid for parts that were "in stock" and waiting MONTHS to get things. Anyone who didn't see this pattern forming was blind.
At the end of the day people are free to view things as they wish. I for one think Scott originally meant well but over time his dishonest ways did him in. That's almost impossible to argue against. Just ask the people who ordered parts within weeks or days of Scott dissolving his business and closing up shop. That was a planned action, Scott didn't just wake up one morning and shut down. If he knew the end was near, he should stopped taking orders. That would have been the decent thing to do. (IMO)

Jedi54

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Here is the thread that got a lot of people's attention:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...light=mazsport

There used to be a thread on here where somone was keeping a tally of those who were owed money or parts. Not sure if the thread was moved or deleted because I didnt' see it when I tried a search

Frankie's 8

I didn't start this thread to bash him or start an argument about this. The reason I posted was simply to get an update from people who know any information on him because the mods closed any and all threads regarding this situation. I know it's a worn out topic, and I don't mean to do any more harm. Anyone affected that knows anything please pm me

Jedi54

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frankie: I'd like to apologize to you if I derailed this thread any. My original post was in fact made to try and answer your question.
I'm really not looking to bring up old business as this topic has already been beaten to death in numerous threads.

dozer

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nycgps

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I did business with Scott. I got the clutch bracket from him (which I later re-sold it to someone here)

he lend me the fuel cap tool, free of charge.

I think he is a kind person, might not be good at running business. He is too busy to handle everything himself. he should've hired or partner with someone who is capable of running orders and other stuff, so he can pay full attention to making better product.

Frankie's 8

Thanks Jedi, and you did answer my origional question according to your knowledge, and I appreciate that. I agree, it has been beaten to death. I realize that it's likely I won't get my money back after almost a year of trying, but it's worth a shot. Any one know if stick made out ok in his suit?

Bastage

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Apples and oranges, Charles. Your fuckups (if you want to call them that) PALE in comparison to Scott's, but I enjoyed the segue into the why BHR is awesome commercial.

bse50

I agree with Charles' view and understand Rotarygod's perspective even if i don't follow it.
Let's put the delays for parts aside. What about the builds that ended up in major disasters or accepting jobs he wasn't able to finish? There was one case for a turbo car, a 20b swap and mysql101's faulty fuel pump just to name some.
How can a customer tolerare this? Blaming it on the forum users is an excessive stretch in my opinion.

Frankie, why don't you contact Brice @ race roots? he sells some of the defunct mazsport "upgrades" so he must know where Steven Scott is.

r0tor

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I'm sorry, that 20B disaster was easily just as much the fault of the owner who had no clue as to what he really was asking Scott to do as it was scott's own fault. The job was in no way, shape, or form a "run of the mill 20B swap" - yet most of the lynching mob and the partially clueless owner tried to make it out to be one.

9krpmrx8

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Bottom line, you don't accept payment for services you cannot provide. It's the same as my office accepting a payment for a physiological evaluation and then just ignoring the patients calls. Difference is that we would be held accountable or lose licenses.

I did asset recovery in the medical field for years prior to my current job and to me its the same as me robbing you straight up. he knew damn well what was up and just basically told everyone to **** off. Not to mention there are people that were ripped off that did not chime in on previous threads and tried to be patient and let him handle it professionally. Instead he just blew them off.

It would be the same if I paid BHR for my ignition kit and Charles just ignored my PM's and refused my calls, email, etc. I bugged the **** out of Charles many times through PM before I actually became a customer but its because I have been buying crap over the internet for years and people have tried to burn me so I do my research and try and get a good feel for the vendors I deal with.

Any honest mix-up can be explained 99% of the time. The beauty of internet transactions is that there is a record of everything. I am happy to support our vendors first even if its not the cheapest price but in my opinion if you associate with shady people then you usually are a shady character yourself.

r0tor

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We will agree to disagree then.

From my conversations/observations, they both agreed upfront to a project involving among otherthings a 20B swap pushing the engine way lower and further back in the engine compartment then had ever been done before - requiring completely custom subframes, engine mounts, exhaust manifolding, intake manifolding, ect ect because of wanting a great "showcar". Then wars broke out when time and $$$ exceeded those of a "traditional" 20B replacement. Not blasting the owner, but his comments posted here made pretty clear he had little idea as to what his directions to scott meant mechanically and physically.

I can still remember the lynching mob running around blasting scott for the amount being charged for his completely handbuilt header (that was required because of what THEY AGREED TO BUILD) and giving the owner links to 20B OEM exhaust manidoflds that were 1/10 of the price... but of course wouldn't work in the application they agreed too or it would have been used in the first damn place.

Then they also blasted scott for billing for associated with time spent designing all the custom parts (he needed to do) as if his time was worthless and should be free. Hello people, the days he spent designing and routing an exhaust manifold are the same days he could have been making money doing over work or building parts for people. Its pretty clear few in the lynching mob have any frikkin clue what its like to have a shop do a custom build up of any car.

His business/life was ruined pretty much overnight because of an online forum thread, he goes out of business, and people still expect for him to fill orders for parts eventhough he's out of business?

Frankie's 8

I disagree with the fact that one thread alone ruined his business. The one thing I do expect as a customer is for the business to right any wrongs, as Charles has done and discussed. It is a combination of things, including taking payments with no intention to produce or return the money and this 20b swap incident, together that has tarnished his reputation. Is it wrong to expect that though?

Jedi54

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We will agree to disagree then.
Nothing changed over night, to think so is to be oblivious to everything else that was going on.

Shijin-Kun

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Going out of business doesnt mean everything you owe is paid off. People still paid their hard earned money for an item. I am sure people didnt give him money for free, thats not how the world works.