hondasr4kids

Hey Ike don't you own an EVO? If you do is it any way to add cruise control?

shaolin

They have aftermarket cruise control units. I used to have a mazdaspeed protege and read about people adding it to MSP's...

Ike

What I pointed out was to dispute arguments that you presented as fact. Saying the WRX had a 2.2L is not opinion.

The problem with the MS6 is that it's pulling timing because of proper cooling and sometimes bad gas, that means the knock senor is being triggered. You're getting knock most likely, it's not just losing horsepower, the car is running poorly.

As for the cruise control on the Evo, there are aftermarket units you can buy, I'm not sure how didficult or expensive it is since I've never looked into it.

Dinhx8

i think the ms6 is cool, not a "failure" but it has major identity crisis...
not quite sport enough to knock of 'sportier' sedans..yet not luxury enough to be luxury.

to me its more of a cool option for the guy who wanted a TSX, but wants to spend a tad more, or the guy who was about to buy an Accord V6 but wanted something a tad sportier.

Its seen as a 'bit of a failure" cause its a Turbo'd AWD with the Mazdaspeed name, and its not putting out the numbers performance wise to create its own identity..its just kind of this 'cool other option'. To some thats great, to some, not enough.

Japan8

Doesn't seem like that may be the cause Ike...

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=47353

Ike

Hrmmm, I'll be surprised if it ends up being the wastegate solenoid. But it does sound like bad fuel isn't the problem. Mazda has quite the history with screwing up ECU tunes so I bet that's part of it, but that certainly isn't the only problem. I had no idea how widespread the problem is, and it seems like dealers are just brushing people off. Mazda dealers did the same thing with my friend's Mazda 6 and a brake problem, they claimed to have fixed it 4 times after claiming it was normal each time. Then he used the words lemon and law one day, poof, two days later brakes are good as new, no more wobble, no more screeching.

It's kind of sad really, this could have been a very good car, I was excited about it. Mazda not only blew it in the handling department, but the damn thing doesn't even run properly.

Japan8

I really have no idea why they went with the MZR DISI instead of a beefed up V6. I suppose because it's their engine and it's being used across several models (the AWD system as well). Still...

Weight could have been saved without the big dumbass hood. An all aluminum trunk would help too. Hell... go CF is necessary (I know costs will go up). The hatchback just plain old looks better too.

Personally I think the 6s hatchback before the recent facelift is a very good looking car. I'd almost consider one.

Ike

They went with the MZR because the market wants turbo 4 cylinder engines. Unfortunately Mazda has never been very good with 4 cylinder turbo engines. If they ever figure out how to make a car with the great chassis they are known for and a great engine it's scary to think how good the cars could be. The RX-8 is the closest they've come to having both, but they fall a little short with the Renesis in my eyes, but I'm a horsepower junkie.

astro

^^^ In your eyes... what has Mazda done that's good?

You seem to bag Mazda for what it is. That is just my perception with your numerous posts.

Ike

They are brilliant with chassis work. Is there an echo in here? The RX-8 is a wonderful car, even if it doesn't fit my needs and desires. Same goes for the Miata. The Mazda 3 is a great car and if I was looking for a car in that segment it would be my choice. The Mazda 6 is also a great car, even with the annoying problems my friend and others have had. With the brilliant chassis the cars have I'd like to see brilliant engines with, but their engines are often underpowered or problematic. Despite your perception I think the Mazda lineup is a very good one, but for me, their Mazdaspeed cars have been a letdown in one area or another.

yiksing

Maybe Ike is SubaruGod in RX-8Club. That aside, its not fair to compare EVO and STI against MPS 6 which basically aims for the family sedan market while the other two aims for pure performance first. However noone should deny the fact that the MPS 6 has potential to be HP/Torque monster, its been tuned too conservatively in stock form. The only bad thing I can see is its AWD system, FWD full time and only activated when front wheel slip occurs (correct me if I'm wrong here). Performance wise all cars including AWD are trying to emulate RWD handling behaivour.

Ike

I agree, it's not fair to compare the MS6 to the STI and Evo. However the MS6 falls short compared to many other cars in its segment. It's confused about what it wants to be, and it doesn't shine in any one area, it doesn't even shine at being the best compromise of luxury and performance.

rotary crazy

in my personal expirience, a couple of my friends have mazdaspeed 6 and they dont have any problems, it is faster than the legacy, for a stock car its pretty fast.

the problems that some are having will be solved remember mazda its going to put this engine in a lot of cars so it cant afort to have problems with this engine .

judds05

i got mine for 3k.

jayk

I'm pretty sure the EVO has the same AWD layout (FWD full time sending power to the back as needed). Not the exact same system, but same functionality.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052

Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.

Ike

It's not faster than the new Legacy, though it's closer than the Road & Track comparo would indicate, 14.8 vs. 13.7 1/4 mile. It'll be solved eventually, but right now Mazda seems to be scrambling for a fix and playing dumb like they aren't aware of the issue. Maybe the MS6 will break the RX-8 record for the most flashes ever in the first couple years of production.

Ike

The difference being, the Evo one works and handles well...

jayk

I haven't driven the ms6 yet so can't actually speak to the handling, my point was just that the AWD configuration is most likely not the cause of any bad handling. A bad implementation maybe...

Ike

Typically cars with a heavy FWD bias don't handle as well as cars like the STI and Skyline GTR which have more power going to the rear, the Evo is the exception.

9291150

Here's my take, the MS6 is in a class of two, the Legacy GT and the MS6. Others like comparably priced x-drive beemers and A4 are not sporty enough, while others like the STI and Evo are not luxurious at all, or refined for that matter.

So against the Legacy GT, I'm not sure I'd pick the MS6 over it. Considering it had the benefit of being second to market, I think Mazda could have done a better job.

But I would take a MS6 over a STI or a Evo, which are heavily based on the budget impreza and lancer models. We all drive our cars 95% of the time in commute mode. Why would I want to sit in a jap econobox all that time, just to have slightly better performance the other 5% of the time? Don't think so.

Ike

Funny, because I look at it like I have much better performance 100% of the time.

9291150

Actually, a base lancer would have a better ride, be much quieter, comfortable, better fuel economy, etc, than your evo for 95% of the driving you do when commuting. Unless, of course, you only use your evo for street racing to work.

rotary crazy

I said in my expirience, the ms6 its not runnig 14.8 in the 1/4 my friends car best time was 13.9 and he has race a legacy gt a lot of times and beat hin by 2 cars

THE AMERICAN MS6 IS HAVING PROBLEMS IF YOU ONLY CAN GET A 14.8

yiksing

Totally agree with you.