The guy should dyno again using 93 octane and just settle this.

Wow, lots of negative vibes in the air! Lets all take a step back, and a deep breath.

Ike has been working on his trollish tendancies, and I have high hopes he will continue his rehabilitation. He does seem to be knowledgeable, and while he does seem to be biased against the 8, I do think it is based on his preception of the HP issue, and the fact that he really wants one, but needs to have 250 hp for bragging rights with his other "hot hatch" friends. That is understanable, if you put yourself in the mindset of our younger, lost generation. Remember, canzoomer has been drivin to mental collapse by the same issue!!!

Ike, redeem yourself by giving us some wine selections, I want to make dinner for my wife tonight, Roasted chicken tortallini in a garlic,white wine sauce, normaly I would get a bottle of luna de luna, what do you suggest? And A nice, full bodied red would be nice to, a little on the sweet side.

Yes, a certain poster did question sexual preferance in his first post, but he did not use profanity, and he has been much better since, everyone deserves a secound chance.

Is this the same judge ito of OJ fame? If it is , how cool is it that he has a 8? Remeber what J.C. said

"If the hp is bad, we all be sad"

I just want to see the chart of the two pulls to verify the claim. It seems to me most everything in this thread is wide speculation.

And Judge Ito in Englishtown, NJ, are we to assume he no longer resides in California? Maybe this is common knowledge, but I don't know. Just a possible hole I saw in the initial post, and I know some others have called "bs" on the whole thread.

I'm still interested to see.

this is the mechanic/god judge ito of jr's rotary performance in new jersey. he is puerto rican. "ito" in spanish means little. that is his nickname as soon as the OJ thing came around he got the nickname judge ito. he can rule and sentence anything rotary :D

anyway. the car is going back to the track. you can call bs if you want but you would also say BS on my FD which dyno'd 459rwhp @ 15psi on 93 octane pump gas built by the same man. i'm not here to prove a point. just trying to give out some info that most people would like to know. basically how to make your cars perform like they are SUPPOSED TO. funny how that would work :)

Its simple provide the proof. Just saying I got such and such around here without doesn't mean shit anymore after the fiasco with Mazda.

I am confused: is he a judge or not? By the way, "anchovie" in italian means "rotten salty little fish"

Maybe the original fuel was oxygenated stuff and then race gas or non-oxygenated fuels will produce about 4% more power.

patience its not even my car

Maybe you should have had paitence before posting without proof.

Proof is what most internet boards will demand!!! It's just the way it is on car boards.

Thanks for posting the info up though!!!

He explained he is NOT a judge

In the defense of Judge Ito (no he isn't really a judge but he seems to be judged), he hangs on the RX7club forum alot. Many people know who he is and can verify that he knows his sh!t. While I in no way would ever dyno a car with only 300 miles on it, the 186 number is the best we've seen so far. The trend so far has been that the cars are getting more power with mileage (up to a point I'm sure). If Ito's car starts at 186 then I wonder what it will be later, maybe 205? That would be in line with Mazda's rating of 238. Instead of questioning why Ito got 186, why don't people instead focus on why they haven't. Has there been a problem with the first few batches that no one admits to that has been quietly fixed? The questions are focused at the wrong person.

If the traction control system is on then of course he won't be as fast as he could be. This applies on the Z28's too. They turn it off and they can much accelerate faster. While the TCS does not allow the wheels to spin this doesn't mean that the car can't accelerate faster. Fastest acceleration is acually with the drive wheels slipping ever so slightly (very slightly). TCS not only keeps the wheels from spinning but it also leaves a slight amount of room for error meaning that it could go a little farther before they stay broken loose.

should i go home and cry to mommy because he hasn't given me his timeslips or dyno sheets to post????

get a life

i will post them as soon as i can. honestly i don't care what you think. you are obviously not here to try and help anyone. i didn't say he dyno'd 220 rwhp. anyway. your proof is coming SOON but not because of your incessant banter :)

this was directed at a few people. you know who :D

The guy should dyno again using 93 octane and just settle this.

dyno time isn't cheap. if you guys are willing to ante up sure he will

Maybe you should go home to mommy, and shut the hell up till you have proof.

good call
start the donations

Would you calm down?!

poison123, vosko, and mikeb, give it a rest.

---jps

I'm on vosko's side
everytime this guy posts something everyone tears him up
I was being sacrastic about the donations for dyno

hmm i think that should be directed at not me and not mikeb and hmm who else. you have a bunch of people who if they did this on my forum would be gone and not allowed back. trolls are not necessary and can be dispatched easily :)

Please post
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by vosko
[B] i don't have the dyno charts to scan yet but i SHOULD have them tomorrow i hope.

Please post the charts. Thanks.

Ito burnout.


:D

Whats your forum Vosko so I can "troll it up" there. And I'm not trolling here, I'm mearly asking for proof, I think we're all getting tired of making statements and not backing them up.

You can only advance the ECU timing so much, and the stock ECU should already be causing ignition (note: this is not the same point the spark is initiated) right at whatever "top dead center" is for a rotary. If you advance the timing any further, you get knock because the mixture ignites before tdc, reducing performance. Back the timing off and you don't take full advantage of the explosion.

If the stock ECU on the 8 is tuned correctly, and something isn't going horribly wrong (knock detected), fuel over 91 octane won't do jack because the timing should already be advanced as far as it'll get. If the ECU detects knock, it will back the timing off and (probably) dump more fuel into the chamber, reducing performance and gas mileage.

An ECU isn't this massively sophisticated piece of technology that figures out optimal a/f mixtures and the correct timing. An ECU basically looks at a set of pre-generated tables cooked up by the engineers which tells the ECU what to do givin a set of input parameters. Those values are modified based on what the sensors tell it -- while cruising, the O2 sensors cause small adjustments to the mix (O2 readings are ignored while at WOT). If the knock sensor gets hit a regular basis, the ECU will back off timing and fuel settings in a manner that is designed reduce the temp of the combustion chamber (thus, preventing knock).

In other words, the fuel maps represent optimum settings for the engine as calculated by the engineers, and the ECU backs off from the optimum settings when it sees something wrong (to save the engine).

I've never seen a dyno on a stock engine that showed a gain using higher octane fuel. I have seen gains on cars running higher than stock boost (but were otherwise stock). I have also seen a lot of ricers who don't know anything about cars claim that their civic goes faster when they stick the stuff in their tank.