197rwhp Pull!
judge ito put his Rx8 on the dyno with approx 300 miles on it. first pull was 186rwhp. he decided to put in VP 103 race gas the dyno had. car made the 197rwhp pull clean. i don't have the dyno charts to scan yet but i SHOULD have them tomorrow i hope. he ran 15.2 at the track with the DSC on. he forgot to turn it off..... i will also hopefully get a run down the strip with it tomorrow at englishtown. the judge and i have a bet that i can beat his best time in his own car with one run :)
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Ok... so what exactly is the point, just about every car on the market will have more HP with race gas...
Ike |
It's not so much a point , its just info
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Kind of like saying if you mix red and blue paint you will get purple, it might be info but it's certainly not news :p
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Originally posted by IkeWRX Ok... so what exactly is the point, just about every one on the market will have a hang over with race gas... Ike Give the guy a break, c'mon. He's excited about the number. Although, its suspicious that a car with 300 miles is putting down 197rwhp...so, that 103 gas might be responsible. |
Why NOT be so blase about the racing fuel and look at the fact that the car did 186HP with 300 miles on it. He's trying to give people some interesting news.
It might seem like stating the obvious to you Ike, but remember, you did this several times while at the same time bitching about the 8. True, you also had to deal with people flinging crap back at you, but I dont think this should be a trend. |
The first sip is a killer but after that it goes down pretty smoothly, and for $5 a gallon it's about the cheapest buzz you can get.
Ike |
lol
First sip is a killer. I like that. |
Originally posted by Genom Why NOT be so blase about the racing fuel and look at the fact that the car did 186HP with 300 miles on it. He's trying to give people some interesting news. It might seem like stating the obvious to you Ike, but remember, you did this several times while at the same time bitching about the 8. True, you also had to deal with people flinging crap back at you, but I dont think this should be a trend. Anyhow, let us know how the run goes tomorrow Vosco. Ike |
Is it me or this guy is really annoying?
I don't own either 8 nor wrx, but I am just interested in cars in general. It seems like this guy is butting in almost every thread and making some annoying comments. Can somone get rid of this guy? |
Originally posted by IkeWRX Ok... so what exactly is the point, just about every car on the market will have more HP with race gas... Again, if race gas has more energy content, then sure it could make more power - otherwise, it shouldn't make a difference on a production street engine. Regards, Gordon |
Looks to me like it's one of teh highest dyno results on car before it's breakin. I would imagine that would matter to those that ARE interested in HP.
Whatever. Since HP isnt an issue to me anyways. |
Originally posted by bon911 Is it me or this guy is really annoying? I don't own either 8 nor wrx, but I am just interested in cars in general. It seems like this guy is butting in almost every thread and making some annoying comments. Can somone get rid of this guy? Back to the topic, I though the car had dynoed around 185 a couple times already with some others being in the mid to high 170s. Gordo, I know of many other cars out there that will dyno higher with race gas when stock. I may have overstated and it may not be an attribute of all cars, but it's certainly not uncommon. It seems most cars that are recommended to use premium fuel will benefit most from the use of higher octane race gas. P.S. ask the judge how OJ is doin :p |
Re: 197rwhp Pull!
Originally posted by vosko judge ito put his Rx8 on the dyno with approx 300 miles on it. first pull was 186rwhp. he decided to put in VP 103 race gas the dyno had. car made the 197rwhp pull clean. i don't have the dyno charts to scan yet but i SHOULD have them tomorrow i hope. he ran 15.2 at the track with the DSC on. he forgot to turn it off..... i will also hopefully get a run down the strip with it tomorrow at englishtown. the judge and i have a bet that i can beat his best time in his own car with one run :) It's nice to see some people with some experience like you and Judge Ito are playing with the 8. Please keep us updated on the 1/4mi runs. I don't think the people who have run their cars down the track so far have many passes under their belts. I'm curious to see what you guys run. Can you take a couple passes granny shifting AND speed shifting? |
Originally posted by IkeWRX Didn't you call someone a fag and a homo in your first post? |
Re: 197rwhp Pull!
Originally posted by vosko judge ito put his Rx8 on the dyno with approx 300 miles on it. first pull was 186rwhp. he decided to put in VP 103 race gas the dyno had. car made the 197rwhp pull clean. i don't have the dyno charts to scan yet but i SHOULD have them tomorrow i hope. he ran 15.2 at the track with the DSC on. he forgot to turn it off..... i will also hopefully get a run down the strip with it tomorrow at englishtown. the judge and i have a bet that i can beat his best time in his own car with one run :) http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9608 hopefully i get good results |
Re: 197rwhp Pull!
Originally posted by vosko he ran 15.2 at the track with the DSC on. he forgot to turn it off..... |
Is it me or this guy is really annoying? It seems like this guy is butting in almost every thread and making some annoying comments. Can somone get rid of this guy? Getting back to rational discussion of the topic, this seems like pretty good news. I wouldn't call it a *major* breakthrough for any of us, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully we'll see similar results soon from cars with lower octane and more miles so perhaps even Ike can't find something negative to say... but then what am I thinking!?!? |
Originally posted by aussie77 No, it isn't just you. He is really annoying. That about sums up most of his contributions to these boards. If there is a positive or negative thread about the RX-8, you can bet Ike posts in it... with something negative to say. It would seem not. The trick is, despite the fact that 98% of what Ike posts are clearly trollish, negative things, every once in a while he will state in a post that he actually likes the RX-8. This appears to confuse moderators, who let him go about his business. There are ants under my apartment and we can't get rid of those either... such is life. Getting back to rational discussion of the topic, this seems like pretty good news. I wouldn't call it a *major* breakthrough for any of us, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully we'll see similar results soon from cars with lower octane and more miles so perhaps even Ike can't find something negative to say... but then what am I thinking!?!? Sorry for pointing out the obvious, I opened this post mainly because I thought someone got 197 on a dyno with regular old gas. I thought it would be good news and was pleased to hear it. However it didn't seem to be any different from the other dynos I have seen other than having high HP with race gas, which is to be expected. Exactly how is this a step in the right direction Aussie? All it did is show yet again the car probably doesn't actually have 238hp. Ike |
Re: Re: 197rwhp Pull!
Originally posted by eccles With the DSC (and thus also the TCS) on, it's impossible to get wheelspin. Without wheelspin, the rotary will just bog down. Yet he still managed a 15.2? What's wrong with this picture? |
Re: Re: Re: 197rwhp Pull!
Originally posted by vosko i guess 20 years of drag racing skill means nothing apparently On the facts as presented, I have to raise the BS flag. |
Originally posted by IkeWRX However it didn't seem to be any different from the other dynos I have seen other than having high HP with race gas, which is to be expected. The higher the octane, the less energy the fuel contains and the more it resists detonation. Higher octane fuel lets you run more boost on a turbo setup, or it lets you run a higher compression ratio on an na setup -- ie: the power gains are not from the octane of fuel being used, but rather harnessing the reaction more efficiently and/or cramming more air and fuel into the engine. Using a higher octane fuel shouldn't give you more power on a stock car unless the ecu was trying to prevent detonation (either by reducing timing, dumping more fuel into the chamber, or probably several other things I can't think of). If the engine was tuned properly to work with 91+ gas, using race gas would put down slightly lower numbers than without. If the ecu is taking actions to prevent detonation running 91 octane fuel, it would easily explain why so many people are getting piss poor gas mileage, the soot covered tailpipes, and the substandard numbers on the dyno. My 2c. |
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Originally posted by eccles Everybody agrees that you need a high-rev clutch dump to obtain maximum acceleration from the RX-8 |
Originally posted by Keeper Getting a higher pull with race gas should NOT be expected. That so many people here just "accepted" this as normal surprises the living crap out of me. If the pull with race gas yielded significantly higher numbers there is something seriously wrong with the stock tuning running with 91 octane fuel. The higher the octane, the less energy the fuel contains and the more it resists detonation. Higher octane fuel lets you run more boost on a turbo setup, or it lets you run a higher compression ratio on an na setup -- ie: the power gains are not from the octane of fuel being used, but rather harnessing the reaction more efficiently and/or cramming more air and fuel into the engine. Using a higher octane fuel shouldn't give you more power on a stock car unless the ecu was trying to prevent detonation (either by reducing timing, dumping more fuel into the chamber, or probably several other things I can't think of). If the engine was tuned properly to work with 91+ gas, using race gas would put down slightly lower numbers than without. If the ecu is taking actions to prevent detonation running 91 octane fuel, it would easily explain why so many people are getting piss poor gas mileage, the soot covered tailpipes, and the substandard numbers on the dyno. My 2c. Ike |
Wrong IKE. And I even went quite far with my wrx before I got rid of the pig http://wrx.swankmonkey.com
But the vw's were cool: http://www.swankmonkey.com http://gti.swankmonkey.com And many other cars that I just didn't have a digi cam or web skills. Most stock maps will not acquire additional timing, even with higher octane gas. In fact, with stock cars, you are usually running max advance. IKE, do you have proof otherwise for the RX8? 1. He dyno'd originally with a hardly broken in engine. 2. His race gas dyno was later in the game with more miles. 3. Nobody can prove a thing unless you data log timing and the knock sensor values. 3. You can't connect to this car with standard over the counter obdii tools. What did we learn? Break the engine in for a while, it needs to go through that process. Also once we figure out which data logger/ obdii tool can do the 60%CAN Bus and 40%ISO breed this car has to read the ecu values, we really don't know what's going on inside the stock programming. If this was really a crank 200 hp car, it would not pull like it does! I'm very impressed, and I'm sure my engine is nowhere near broken in. |
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