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10-10-2003, 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sneakyracer
I agree with most. Dont race with your RX8. Just cruise on by and leave people wondering. Otherwise you will be embarrased by almost any car on the road. The RX8 looks extremely fast, it just isnt in auto form. Lots of sedans even a honda acoord/altima/maxima/jetta (all v6) will beat the RX8 auto. Yes, even my daily driver, a Honda Pilot (i tested low 16's 1/4 mile) will beat a RX8 automatic. :o
I agree with most. Dont race with your RX8. Just cruise on by and leave people wondering. Otherwise you will be embarrased by almost any car on the road. The RX8 looks extremely fast, it just isnt in auto form. Lots of sedans even a honda acoord/altima/maxima/jetta (all v6) will beat the RX8 auto. Yes, even my daily driver, a Honda Pilot (i tested low 16's 1/4 mile) will beat a RX8 automatic. :o
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10-10-2003, 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by stangmatt66
Whether in manual or automatic form, the RX-8 was never designed to be a street light racer. Street light racing, or drag racing for that matter, requires an engine with lots of low-end torque--something the RX-8 is completely lacking.
If Mazda wanted to make a drag racer, they would have slapped a Ford 4.6L V8 under the hood. The RX is all about driving finesse and handling. Think about it. The RX has a low center of gravity, perfect 50/50 weight distribution, a Rotary engine that makes lots of HP, but very little torque, 13" brakes, etc.
Take any of the cars you mentioned above (except maybe the 350Z) and race them on a tight winding road and I guarantee the RX-8 will come out ahead!
Also, if you got beat by a Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe you obviously weren't trying hard to win. Those things go 0-60 in nearly 10 seconds. The RX-8 is way faster than that. With the RX-8 Auto, you have to brake-torque the engine (one foot on the brake while revving the engine with the other) and launch the car from the stop light at at least 3k RPM's. We make HP up high and need to get the engine there as soon as possible to win a race.
Whether in manual or automatic form, the RX-8 was never designed to be a street light racer. Street light racing, or drag racing for that matter, requires an engine with lots of low-end torque--something the RX-8 is completely lacking.
If Mazda wanted to make a drag racer, they would have slapped a Ford 4.6L V8 under the hood. The RX is all about driving finesse and handling. Think about it. The RX has a low center of gravity, perfect 50/50 weight distribution, a Rotary engine that makes lots of HP, but very little torque, 13" brakes, etc.
Take any of the cars you mentioned above (except maybe the 350Z) and race them on a tight winding road and I guarantee the RX-8 will come out ahead!
Also, if you got beat by a Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe you obviously weren't trying hard to win. Those things go 0-60 in nearly 10 seconds. The RX-8 is way faster than that. With the RX-8 Auto, you have to brake-torque the engine (one foot on the brake while revving the engine with the other) and launch the car from the stop light at at least 3k RPM's. We make HP up high and need to get the engine there as soon as possible to win a race.
Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
Auto
0-60 7.2 sec.
Manual
0-60 7.1 sec.
Auto C230 vs. auto RX8, then C230 definetely would win. It has more torque which auto RX8 needs to be a bit more quick.
10-10-2003, 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Haris
Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
Auto
0-60 7.2 sec.
Manual
0-60 7.1 sec.
Auto C230 vs. auto RX8, then C230 definetely would win. It has more torque which auto RX8 needs to be a bit more quick.
Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
Auto
0-60 7.2 sec.
Manual
0-60 7.1 sec.
Auto C230 vs. auto RX8, then C230 definetely would win. It has more torque which auto RX8 needs to be a bit more quick.
"For the 2003 model of the C230, Mercedes has largely addressed our engine complaint with an all-new 1.8-liter, all-aluminum supercharged four-cylinder...The new 1.8-liter engine makes 189 horsepower at 5800 rpm and 192 pound-feet of torque at 3500 rpm. Indeed, the sprint to 60 mph for the 1.8-liter 2003 model is an unremarkable 8.1 seconds—more than a half-second slower than the 2002 model..."
The C230 also weighs in at 3290lbs while the RX-8 AT is 200lbs lighter at 3053. Close race? Maybe? But I still think the RX would come out ahead.
10-11-2003, 09:54 AM
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Fisrt of all, the MB C230 has a very good 5 SPEED Auto Tranny and good power down low. The RX8 auto has a 4 SPEED and power up high!
I base my comments on experience with the celica GT-s 4 Speed auto. It has 180 hp , weights only 2550 lb but it still posts HIGH 16 sec 1/4 mile times.
The auto rx8 is out of its element when racing. But if you purchased the auto tranny model you dont really care about speed and accel. It should be fast enough for you and it still delivers killer LOOKS and Fun Handling.
I base my comments on experience with the celica GT-s 4 Speed auto. It has 180 hp , weights only 2550 lb but it still posts HIGH 16 sec 1/4 mile times.
The auto rx8 is out of its element when racing. But if you purchased the auto tranny model you dont really care about speed and accel. It should be fast enough for you and it still delivers killer LOOKS and Fun Handling.
10-11-2003, 06:29 PM
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If someone on here with an automaticRx8 like me ever gets turbo or twinturbo then tell me how much faster your Rx8 runs b/c I am interested in getting a turbo. Right nowthe car is too slow and Im ashamed to race people anymore.
10-11-2003, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
If someone on here with an automaticRx8 like me ever gets turbo or twinturbo then tell me how much faster your Rx8 runs b/c I am interested in getting a turbo. Right nowthe car is too slow and Im ashamed to race people anymore.
If someone on here with an automaticRx8 like me ever gets turbo or twinturbo then tell me how much faster your Rx8 runs b/c I am interested in getting a turbo. Right nowthe car is too slow and Im ashamed to race people anymore.
10-12-2003, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Haris
Well did you try to brake rev the engine at all? I brake revved the engine at 3K rpm on cartest and results were alot improved. From 16 sec. to 15.5 sec. This is why if you can brake rev to about 4 or 5K, the car might even get into low 15s. I mean anybody who has RX8 should take their car to the track. Or at least buy that 0-60 and 1/4 mile device that they are selling on ebay for $60. It's accurate enough.
Well did you try to brake rev the engine at all? I brake revved the engine at 3K rpm on cartest and results were alot improved. From 16 sec. to 15.5 sec. This is why if you can brake rev to about 4 or 5K, the car might even get into low 15s. I mean anybody who has RX8 should take their car to the track. Or at least buy that 0-60 and 1/4 mile device that they are selling on ebay for $60. It's accurate enough.
10-12-2003, 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Irish_in_a_RX8
Perhaps you might know, but harris, is brake revving good for the RX8?
Perhaps you might know, but harris, is brake revving good for the RX8?
10-12-2003, 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
My Rx8 is automatic and I have only beaten 2 sports car I have tried to race from a stoplight. Im not going to even try anymore because I have lost to everything. The 350Z the two door G35 the Mustang GT the FirebirdTrans Am the Camaro Z28 the Eclipse the RSX and the hatchback Kompressor have all raced and smoked myc ar from stoplights in September. The only cars I beat was a Celica and a regular Camaro they were probably both automatic likemine too. Dontbuy an Rx8 in automatic if you want to race it b/c you will lose to alot of cars on the road.
My Rx8 is automatic and I have only beaten 2 sports car I have tried to race from a stoplight. Im not going to even try anymore because I have lost to everything. The 350Z the two door G35 the Mustang GT the FirebirdTrans Am the Camaro Z28 the Eclipse the RSX and the hatchback Kompressor have all raced and smoked myc ar from stoplights in September. The only cars I beat was a Celica and a regular Camaro they were probably both automatic likemine too. Dontbuy an Rx8 in automatic if you want to race it b/c you will lose to alot of cars on the road.
10-12-2003, 02:45 PM
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Haris man thosecars you just told me to race are all like 7000 dollars less than my Rx8! When I see them on thestreets I dont even look at them. The carsI raced except for Eclipse are all in the same pricerange and they arethe type of sports cars I am intimidated byand was dying to race! Not the cheap shitty ones you are talking about man. When you see an Rx8 on the road you dont look at it and say that car belongs w/240sx preludes v6 mustangs camaros firebirds mr2s hondas and crap like that you look atit and think it should beaffiliated with the cars I tried to race. I guess I will haveto wait for some turbo.
10-12-2003, 03:05 PM
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Well auto preludes, auto RSX, and auto celica GT-s, all are around $24-26K when brand new. RX8 auto is at $25,7K for base model as well. I know you want turbo, but if I buy auto RX8 I would really want supercharger more than turbo. Till then, I'll just wait for 5 speed auto or 6 speed SMT transmission on RX8.
10-12-2003, 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Haris
Well auto preludes, auto RSX, and auto celica GT-s, all are around $24-26K when brand new. RX8 auto is at $25,7K for base model as well. I know you want turbo, but if I buy auto RX8 I would really want supercharger more than turbo. Till then, I'll just wait for 5 speed auto or 6 speed SMT transmission on RX8.
Well auto preludes, auto RSX, and auto celica GT-s, all are around $24-26K when brand new. RX8 auto is at $25,7K for base model as well. I know you want turbo, but if I buy auto RX8 I would really want supercharger more than turbo. Till then, I'll just wait for 5 speed auto or 6 speed SMT transmission on RX8.
10-12-2003, 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Actually you can get a RSX Type S for a shade over 20k, and he's not going to hang with a type S. GT Celica for under 20k GT-S for a little more. And I have yet to see a RX-8 for under 27k. By the way I would add the MR-2 and any MT prelude to your list of cars to stay away from, and also most of those V6s with a MT...
Actually you can get a RSX Type S for a shade over 20k, and he's not going to hang with a type S. GT Celica for under 20k GT-S for a little more. And I have yet to see a RX-8 for under 27k. By the way I would add the MR-2 and any MT prelude to your list of cars to stay away from, and also most of those V6s with a MT...
If the Sport Package is bought with the A/T, an $1800 option, then it comes with DSC, 18" wheels, fog lamps, xenons, sport tuned suspension, and the 12.7" brake calipers.
Otherwise, the mazda website lists a stripped A/T Rx-8 for $25,700.
10-12-2003, 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Actually you can get a RSX Type S for a shade over 20k, and he's not going to hang with a type S. GT Celica for under 20k GT-S for a little more. And I have yet to see a RX-8 for under 27k. By the way I would add the MR-2 and any MT prelude to your list of cars to stay away from, and also most of those V6s with a MT...
Actually you can get a RSX Type S for a shade over 20k, and he's not going to hang with a type S. GT Celica for under 20k GT-S for a little more. And I have yet to see a RX-8 for under 27k. By the way I would add the MR-2 and any MT prelude to your list of cars to stay away from, and also most of those V6s with a MT...
10-12-2003, 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Haris
Yes, you can get non-type S RSX for a little over $20K. Type S's MSRP starts at $23,500 and with few basic options, it'll go up to RX8's price.
Yes, you can get non-type S RSX for a little over $20K. Type S's MSRP starts at $23,500 and with few basic options, it'll go up to RX8's price.
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10-12-2003, 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by tagS60
I would address the obvious issue: your wife needs to learn how to drive a stick. If you really want the MT, she should be willing to learn for your sake.
I would address the obvious issue: your wife needs to learn how to drive a stick. If you really want the MT, she should be willing to learn for your sake.
10-12-2003, 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by dvarapala
Do what I did: buy the wife her own car. :D
Do what I did: buy the wife her own car. :D
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I cant stand these threads.... the poster WANTS you to post your automatic transmission quarter mile times.... I want to see them.... he wants to see them....... especially in light of Mazdas claimed vs. truth history on this particular vehicle..... Will someone that ACTUALLY has the answer to this guys question weigh in?
10-12-2003, 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by 350zj
I cant stand these threads.... the poster WANTS you to post your automatic transmission quarter mile times.... I want to see them.... he wants to see them....... especially in light of Mazdas claimed vs. truth history on this particular vehicle..... Will someone that ACTUALLY has the answer to this guys question weigh in?
I cant stand these threads.... the poster WANTS you to post your automatic transmission quarter mile times.... I want to see them.... he wants to see them....... especially in light of Mazdas claimed vs. truth history on this particular vehicle..... Will someone that ACTUALLY has the answer to this guys question weigh in?
10-12-2003, 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by 350zj
I cant stand these threads.... the poster WANTS you to post your automatic transmission quarter mile times.... I want to see them.... he wants to see them....... especially in light of Mazdas claimed vs. truth history on this particular vehicle..... Will someone that ACTUALLY has the answer to this guys question weigh in?
I cant stand these threads.... the poster WANTS you to post your automatic transmission quarter mile times.... I want to see them.... he wants to see them....... especially in light of Mazdas claimed vs. truth history on this particular vehicle..... Will someone that ACTUALLY has the answer to this guys question weigh in?
Ok here are results from CarTest:
Start - 1K RPM
0-60 - 7.8 seconds
1/4 mile - 16.0 sec
Start - 3K RPM (Brake rev)
0-60 - 7.2 seconds
1/4 mile - 15.5 seconds
Now these are not fact, but more like estimated times. It might be exactly the same, it might be similar, or it might be different. Good luck!
10-13-2003, 10:26 AM
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This is great Harris - thanks for the results. It will be interesting to see how these times will improve with an air filter and other modifications. Harris, was the air temp at the time of testing?
Still, AT may not be a 'racer" for many babbling folks on this board, but the AT certainly makes me happy when dealing with slow traffic :-)
Would like to see more times.....I'll take mine out one of these nights.
Still, AT may not be a 'racer" for many babbling folks on this board, but the AT certainly makes me happy when dealing with slow traffic :-)
Would like to see more times.....I'll take mine out one of these nights.