bose

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Calm down, your typing is getting difficult to follow.

X7rotor

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20B bolts into a rx8 tranny stock. And why switch what isnt broken? Or do you want to just brag to the rest of the 8 club saying you have a bhr one off axle...ill let you figure that out

And cost for making a mount? Bro thats gotta be astronomical in price i think fox is better off buying a lambo then finishing his engine swap...wait its 2013 we have a magical device known as a welder

Like i said before..most of you deal with intake swaps and exhaust pipes rather then doing the work.

X7rotor

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You try typing on a phone -_-
So technically it isnt typing.

kickerfox

I'm not mad. The 10k estimate was a twin turbo full build not the stock NA swap. The NA swap is well under 5k. If the diff lets go I'd likely swap in a tbird diff but I can't make custom halfshafts. The driveshaft will use the Solstice front joint and tube with the 8's rear joint. I think the Solstice front joint is a CV. I have made driveshafts before. Engine mounts are easy. PPF mount will take some time. I'll build engine mounts to attach at the stock 8's location but I might want some aftermarket mounts. Mine felt spongy.

What have the 8's differentials been able to hold? I don't plan on track or drag racing it. Are the LSx guys running stock diffs?

bose

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I am typing on a phone, it's not difficult you hamfisted meathead.

I didn't say the cost of a mount would be so high it's not worth doing. Just cause the trans bolts up to it doesn't mean it will last. If I were doing it I wouldn't be sticking with anything from the 8. Not engineered for the power level. So what would bhr have to do with it? You have a personal problem with them?

All I'm saying is there is more that goes into a swap/build then you are leading on.
I own a mig welder, fully aware of their capabilities. I do all my own work, you don't know me.

9krpmrx8

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out of stock?

But I'll play. For stockish basic rebuild (not sure who would want that in a swap).

20B used with unknown mileage = $5,000.00ish shipped
Engine rebuild kit (seals, gaskets, bearings) = $2300.00 shipped
Balancing: $235.00ish plus shipping both ways
Rebuild factory turbos: $800.00ish
Not counting all the little stuff like sensors, injectors, fuel lines, etc. etc. etc.

Now, that is assuming everything in your purchased used engine is reusable, which is doubtful. If you need a center iron you are fucked because those go for about $6,000.00 from Atkins, etc. And a Eshaft is $1,000.00ish in usable condition. Even if you need housings and rotors and use 13B-REW parts, you are looking a couple grand.

Now what I said was good 20B rebuild, not a half *** rebuilt used engine with questionable hard parts and worn out everything else.

If you are talking properly built single turbo 20B with all the supporting hardware then you are easily in the 20k department.

bose

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The 20b builds I have seen were both turbo, so there is where our price differs. I was mainly giving you a hard time in the beginning for not getting going and just talking about it. Now I see your serious so I look forward to seeing it done, not what I would pick but kudos for seeing it through.

9krpmrx8

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Oh and if you are talking about a NA 20B, you would not even mess with that as it would be a waste of time unless it was built and then you are talking big money.

Mr_Pieper

Tell that to stickmantijuana. He "claims" to only have 90k buried in his 3-rotor swap and it still isn't right.

Sorry, I completely forgot you were a professional rotary builder and a tuner and a master welder/fabricator. People don't look toward a swap or boost in this car for cheap power.

I don't know about everyone else but my local emissions station wouldn't be too thrilled with a Christmas Tree for a dashboard.

X7rotor

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I know enough to know that swapping an engine isnt rocket science. And why do a rebuild of two turbos that wont fit into the engine bay. I have a turbo sitting in my garage if money wasnt an issue id weld whats necessary to make it work.

X7rotor

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Dont need to be a professional engine builder if it works right the first time it will work all the time thats the work i do. If thats a problem for you then im sorry for your incompetence.

9krpmrx8

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Oh so you are a master fabricator and that turbo is just the right size huh?

But yeah, if you want the biggest half assed piece of **** 20B swapped RX-8 then yes you could do it for less than 20k. It may not be street legal, have abs, traction control, gauges, etc. but yeah it would be a 20B swapped RX-8

For the average person who cannot fabricate engine mounts, turbo manifolds, downpipes, custom drive shafts, and tune a Haltech, it is not happening for anywhere less than 20k. It is always the little stuff that adds up if you do things right.

X7rotor

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And 90k? Maybe he should give up thats second hand aston martin money.

bose

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I can tell reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I said nothing about rebuilding twin turbos, different person entirely.
I wouldn't waste the time or money, single turbo seems to do the trick.

X7rotor

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With another page coming up its hard to remember what was posted. It isnt comprehension its memory.


But post up a price list of what you need for a 20b swap.leave out shop cost and you have what you need.

School me oh masters of the rx8 se3p

X7rotor

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Ive tuned with Ecu flash and megasquirt. if its a hex program then i got it understood. Got my greddy gauges for tuning.

Im experienced with welding but im no master. I think the work would have been done much faster for your turbo build if you built what was needed by you rather then a store...care to disagree.

9krpmrx8

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I hope there is a language barrier because I have a hard time understanding you. Did you mean Megasquirt? Gauges for tuning? Are you saying you would have no need for any of the functions that the factory ECU controls? Hex program?

And you think the work would have been done much faster on my turbo build if what? If you hand fabricated all the parts? I don't understand what you mean, are you saying that if you were doing my build, you would have hand built my turbo, diverter valve, intercooler, etc? You would fabricate these items with your bare hands?

Mr_Pieper

He is saying that if it was done 20 years ago then he can handle it. Expect a carbed 350 in the bay of his 8.

X7rotor

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There Is a language line there friend i hope your not like the rest of america..

And yes the files in the tuning software.. thought you knew what the hex files are.

X7rotor

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Im saying if you knew how to make the parts in your turbo build you wouldnt have a number of pages in your build

And yes by my bare hands.want a back rub too since your fascinated with the bareness of hands?

Mr_Pieper

There is a language barrier between Texas and Kansas?

X7rotor

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Euro you twit.

kickerfox

90% of this thread is arguing about it. lol Let's keep "this vs. that" arguments out unless it has to do with my build.

Someone mentioned the trans strength of the 8. I know it's a fairly week trans. I didn't have any trouble pulling it out by hand from under the car. I don't see it lasting behind a v6 or turbo 13b let alone a turbo 20b. I LOVE the sound of NA bridgeport 20b engines by the way.

The Solstice trans is the AR-5 which is the updated version of the R154. I've heard it shifts more like the W58 but has the strength of the R154. Double cone synchros or something like that. In the Solstice, they bolt up LSx engines to it without any issues. Needless to say I'm so stoked about finding a new one for $500. All I can do is stare at it. >.<

bose

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He's asking if you can smelt metal? Seeing as you admit to being a novice welder I doubt your well versed in the art of smelting.

Mr_Pieper

He who smelt it, dealt it.