Frankenstein Fun Thread Let it all Rip!
12-26-2014, 01:37 PM
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Sure it's wider but ive looked at 20B swaps and it isn't small by any measure. Maybe a few inches thinner than the V8. The 20B is maybe only a few inches back. My motor is as close as you can get to the firewall without needing to cut it up. No firewall cutting at all for mine. Just had to bend that bay pinch weld and clearance the cowl in the center where the intake resides. What do you mean "less piping?" Isn't the rotary the only motor requiring numerous coolers and miles of hose? LS only requires heater, radiator, and fuel hoses. Less than the rotary with all the oil cooler stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bash LSX motors. My interest lies in practicality of a swap rather than arbitrarily trying to talk about "the best swap". My guess is that much of the weight comparison is often biased and done comparing 20b to iron LSX, or turbo 20b to N/A LSX (aluminum), and both are bad comparisons. In the case most people are interested in, it should be comparing N/A 20b, to N/A LSX aluminum. Most people go turbo on the 20b because when you are spending 20k, might as well throw another 7-10gs at it to make quite a bit more power. One would have to compare that to a twin turbo LSX motor.
Back in the case of the motors, the 20b exhaust exits in one place, the LSX requires the two sides to merge or run dual exhaust. That's the initial point I was trying to make. As for other types of piping, Id venture a guess and say that between two N/A motors that comes out in the wash. In the end, that extra piping (however little it is) simply being on the other side of the motor is going to create a lot of space problems, requiring custom brackets for ac, etc.
12-26-2014, 02:55 PM
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How did you get that out of my statement? "Seriously" I never said the RX8 was easier but maybe to Jimmy the Accountant or Rick the customer service manager it may be difficult. I have a different discipline and most anything can be figured out easier and cheaper if you just sat back and evaluated it thoroughly. That's what drove my decision for the canbus. It wasn't worth the effort and time to jump that hurdle. Literally the only issue is a traction control light and some other dummy lights. It's much more reasonable and simpler(=cheaper according to your logic) to just modify the cluster to operate more like an older GM cluster. Obviously the only real issue of debate is the cluster. Most of which can be easily lived with/gone around. Maybe not well enough for the OCD bolt on guys here though
12-26-2014, 03:08 PM
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In the end, a couple inches can mean a lot!
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bash LSX motors. My interest lies in practicality of a swap rather than arbitrarily trying to talk about "the best swap". My guess is that much of the weight comparison is often biased and done comparing 20b to iron LSX, or turbo 20b to N/A LSX (aluminum), and both are bad comparisons. In the case most people are interested in, it should be comparing N/A 20b, to N/A LSX aluminum. Most people go turbo on the 20b because when you are spending 20k, might as well throw another 7-10gs at it to make quite a bit more power. One would have to compare that to a twin turbo LSX motor.
Back in the case of the motors, the 20b exhaust exits in one place, the LSX requires the two sides to merge or run dual exhaust. That's the initial point I was trying to make. As for other types of piping, Id venture a guess and say that between two N/A motors that comes out in the wash. In the end, that extra piping (however little it is) simply being on the other side of the motor is going to create a lot of space problems, requiring custom brackets for ac, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bash LSX motors. My interest lies in practicality of a swap rather than arbitrarily trying to talk about "the best swap". My guess is that much of the weight comparison is often biased and done comparing 20b to iron LSX, or turbo 20b to N/A LSX (aluminum), and both are bad comparisons. In the case most people are interested in, it should be comparing N/A 20b, to N/A LSX aluminum. Most people go turbo on the 20b because when you are spending 20k, might as well throw another 7-10gs at it to make quite a bit more power. One would have to compare that to a twin turbo LSX motor.
Back in the case of the motors, the 20b exhaust exits in one place, the LSX requires the two sides to merge or run dual exhaust. That's the initial point I was trying to make. As for other types of piping, Id venture a guess and say that between two N/A motors that comes out in the wash. In the end, that extra piping (however little it is) simply being on the other side of the motor is going to create a lot of space problems, requiring custom brackets for ac, etc.
That doesn't make any sense. Practicality and rotors don't mix. At all. But this thread isn't about that. And once again the logic on two exhaust does t make sense. I would venture to guess my longtubes, y pipe and merge weigh less than a a hot side, turbo, downpipe/s and gate/s. I also don't even believe in the slightest that a NA 20b could make near as much as an NA LSX. An All Pro headed 44X top shelf LS motor costs near or less than a top shelf 20B and makes far more power. I have yet to see a single point to a 20B swap. If you wanna compare turbo 20B to turbo LSX that's a completely different deal. V8s and turbos go together like peas and carrots. Lag? I don't think so.
12-26-2014, 03:11 PM
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Funny coming from a rotary driver. Hinson kit was just an opportunity buy and was VERY much worth it. I could have easily fabricated everything aside from the balancer which was the main reason I even looked at the kit.
12-26-2014, 03:17 PM
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I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statements here and in other threads, you don't have to justify your purchases to me. I hope you modify that stock LS1 significantly, you will need to in order to back up all your rotary **** talking if you show up at SAR.
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12-26-2014, 03:40 PM
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Oh wow thats like the special olympics of cars. Yall shoupd take your cars out to houston and check out the tail lights. Im not building a funny car. Im building a moderately powered daily driver. Still enough to put some of your rotary buddies in a headlock. Im just down the street.
12-26-2014, 03:51 PM
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Oh wow thats like the special olympics of cars. Yall should take your cars out to houston and check out the tail lights. Im not building a funny car. Im building a moderately powered daily driver. Still enough to put some of your rotary buddies in a headlock. Im just down the street.
12-26-2014, 04:50 PM
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Yeah you should be able to beat up on some NA FC's, FB's, and RX-8's no problem. Other than that, if your LS1 is running perfectly then you should be putting down about 300WHP if you are lucky. You better get some long tubes and a tune if you want to beat any boosted 1.3L's around here. That might get you to my territory since I have a small turbo.
HAHAHAHA perhaps you should do some research on what bolt on LS1s make. I made 371 with a bolt on 98 car with 200k miles. Small cam only cars routinely see 420 hp. This stock daily will be quite healthy 350ish with stock cam, longtubes, intake and tune. But it isnt a peak hp build and built to work off idle to 5000ish rpm. Where street cars normally live. Next motor will be a 427 MID sleeved forged bottom end with LS3 heads and a reasonable cam with a smooth idle. Easily a 550 wheel hp combo on 93 and conservative timing. And my "300 hp" will have something foreign to any rotary guy. Torque. Feel free to do some research on the word.
12-26-2014, 05:09 PM
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HAHAHAHA perhaps you should do some research on what bolt on LS1s make. I made 371 with a bolt on 98 car with 200k miles. Small cam only cars routinely see 420 hp. This stock daily will be quite healthy 350ish with stock cam, longtubes, intake and tune. But it isnt a peak hp build and built to work off idle to 5000ish rpm. Where street cars normally live. Next motor will be a 427 MID sleeved forged bottom end with LS3 heads and a reasonable cam with a smooth idle. Easily a 550 wheel hp combo on 93 and conservative timing. And my "300 hp" will have something foreign to any rotary guy. Torque. Feel free to do some research on the word.
And yes, your 5.3L will have more torque than a 1.3L rotary, big surprise. What that equates to on the track is TBD.
12-26-2014, 06:05 PM
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I used to own a brand new 93' Z28 (bet you didn't see that coming huh?), it was a graduation present. I am well aware of what they are capable of (and what they suck at) and what they make typically stock (depending on what dyno you believe). Longtubes and a tune (what I mentioned) will get you 30-35 HP. But people love to throw around "LS swap" like it means means swapping in an LS1 will net you mad horsepower when the fact is, they don't make a whole lot in stock form.
And yes, your 5.3L will have more torque than a 1.3L rotary, big surprise. What that equates to on the track is TBD.
And yes, your 5.3L will have more torque than a 1.3L rotary, big surprise. What that equates to on the track is TBD.
12-26-2014, 06:08 PM
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I used to own a brand new 93' Z28 (bet you didn't see that coming huh?), it was a graduation present. I am well aware of what they are capable of (and what they suck at) and what they make typically stock (depending on what dyno you believe). Longtubes and a tune (what I mentioned) will get you 30-35 HP. But people love to throw around "LS swap" like it means means swapping in an LS1 will net you mad horsepower when the fact is, they don't make a whole lot in stock form.
And yes, your 5.3L will have more torque than a 1.3L rotary, big surprise. What that equates to on the track is TBD.
And yes, your 5.3L will have more torque than a 1.3L rotary, big surprise. What that equates to on the track is TBD.
12-26-2014, 08:32 PM
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Jesus christ! There is so much fail in that statement. This is definately taking a personal direction. Perhaps we should turn it back to what it was intended. People who talk about specific output and brag about a 10k rpm usually stay in the parking lot and probably couldnt even catch the camara car.
12-26-2014, 09:10 PM
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catching the camera car is a street racing term. The camera car is normally the slower car in the race. the guy who is fast enough to stay close.
12-26-2014, 10:41 PM
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Yeah im feelong like cutting every last corner to get my car pay and dragging every single RX8 between austin and San antonio. Then get to San Antonio and hooking a rope up to your front bumper and dragging your car down SAR to show you what a fast pass feels like. But we aren't supposed to get personal. Also you were discussing your F boat which was an LT1. Worse than that it was a first gen LT1. Honestly if I hired a midget to lay under my hood and had him sip and spit fuel into my intake it would make more power. The LT1 is probably in the Top 5 worst motors built with the rotors being very high up along with anything made by Jag and ford mod motors. So when you talk about full bolts ons with exhaust etc and only 30 hp...... Wrong country for that discussion. Anyway LT1=garbage=rotary. Also my car isn't an iron truck 5.3. It's an aluminum 5.7. And you've been brought up to speed on the camaro car statement. Also the 10k rpm jab was made as that seems to be the universal response when rotary guys are victim to common sense remarks about their motors. My weedwackers revs to like 20k I think. SUPA POWA then bradah
12-27-2014, 12:17 AM
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Driving my unreliable rx8
Thats pretty funny considering almost anyone who's producing good power cuts the rpm back.
I guess the teenagers dragging on westheimer are running 10k.
I guess the teenagers dragging on westheimer are running 10k.
12-27-2014, 07:00 AM
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this thread just keeps getting better. I wanna see these runs. somebody make sure to bring the gopro
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12-27-2014, 10:18 AM
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The truth is these things will probably never run properly. People who spew nonsense like this all over a forum hardly ever complete said project. Id like to see it happen, but the truth is if he is here typing macho BS all day about how fast his non-running car is, then he isn't putting in the wrench time.
12-27-2014, 11:28 AM
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Nothing macho about it. Danny Devito or Kim Khardasian are meacho compared to rotary drivers. Im in Hawaii so im trolling the forums while the baby sleeps. When i get back its full steam ahead before the semester. I plan to make many hooning videos and definately take it to Mexico on the weekends.
12-27-2014, 11:39 AM
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Nothing macho about it. Danny Devito or Kim Khardasian are meacho compared to rotary drivers. Im in Hawaii so im trolling the forums while the baby sleeps. When i get back its full steam ahead before the semester. I plan to make many hooning videos and definately take it to Mexico on the weekends.
Meacho
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12-27-2014, 12:19 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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Nothing macho about it. Danny Devito or Kim Khardasian are meacho compared to rotary drivers. Im in Hawaii so im trolling the forums while the baby sleeps. When i get back its full steam ahead before the semester. I plan to make many hooning videos and definately take it to Mexico on the weekends.
You must have really low self-esteem if you think your choice of car defines masculinity.
