Newbie's Guide to Modding the RX-8
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As is the same for so many others, I have found this thread very useful for gaining direction in sorting through the immense amount of information available here. Very grateful, thank you.
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Sorry to bump here , but i thought it was important in that it took several visits and a few re-reads to feel lke i want to thank RIWWP for the extenssive write up and because of that most of my v8 ideas for my series one rx8 went out the window.Thank you so much!.
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finished reading for a 3rd time...
I plan on going through it again... I delve into too many things other than just cars, but I love the rotary engine.
If I was rich as crap... Thanks again for this amazing write up though. if I hang in there I'll be sure to keep coming back to this.
If I was rich as crap... Thanks again for this amazing write up though. if I hang in there I'll be sure to keep coming back to this.
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STELLAR INFORMATION, in a clear and easy to digest format. Kudos!!
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So what are the actual gains of all the basic "mods" together?
I found this STAGE 1 RX8 UPGRADE | News Pac Performance
Do RX-8's have unusually high drive-train losses... 238hp=150whp?
So add a AccessPort/Mazdaedit and headers and what would I be looking at? 200whp tops? The newbie tuning guide lists 215-230whp as the basic upper N/A limits, are these with porting?
I really like the RX-8's design and how light weight but also practical it is, stiff chassis, looks like a coup but is actually a four door... just if it never has the punch to keep up with a family sedan...
Always seems like they never give light cars enough power, BRZ/FR-S, S2000, the Elise they at least eventually supercharged...
I found this STAGE 1 RX8 UPGRADE | News Pac Performance
Do RX-8's have unusually high drive-train losses... 238hp=150whp?
So add a AccessPort/Mazdaedit and headers and what would I be looking at? 200whp tops? The newbie tuning guide lists 215-230whp as the basic upper N/A limits, are these with porting?
I really like the RX-8's design and how light weight but also practical it is, stiff chassis, looks like a coup but is actually a four door... just if it never has the punch to keep up with a family sedan...
Always seems like they never give light cars enough power, BRZ/FR-S, S2000, the Elise they at least eventually supercharged...
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So what are the actual gains of all the basic "mods" together?
I found this STAGE 1 RX8 UPGRADE | News Pac Performance
Do RX-8's have unusually high drive-train losses... 238hp=150whp?
So add a AccessPort/Mazdaedit and headers and what would I be looking at? 200whp tops? The newbie tuning guide lists 215-230whp as the basic upper N/A limits, are these with porting?
I really like the RX-8's design and how light weight but also practical it is, stiff chassis, looks like a coup but is actually a four door... just if it never has the punch to keep up with a family sedan...
Always seems like they never give light cars enough power, BRZ/FR-S, S2000, the Elise they at least eventually supercharged...
I found this STAGE 1 RX8 UPGRADE | News Pac Performance
Do RX-8's have unusually high drive-train losses... 238hp=150whp?
So add a AccessPort/Mazdaedit and headers and what would I be looking at? 200whp tops? The newbie tuning guide lists 215-230whp as the basic upper N/A limits, are these with porting?
I really like the RX-8's design and how light weight but also practical it is, stiff chassis, looks like a coup but is actually a four door... just if it never has the punch to keep up with a family sedan...
Always seems like they never give light cars enough power, BRZ/FR-S, S2000, the Elise they at least eventually supercharged...
I have heard a healthy / factory fresh RX-8 will dyno in the 175-180ish WHP range. I feel the RX-8 was quite over-rated, and it is sensitive/prone to loosing power through loss of compression, loss of spark strength, and other losses (gumming of intake components, fuel pump woes, etc). So it's not uncommon for RX-8s to lay down low numbers, say 150-165WHP.
Headers and a tune would maybe be worth 10ish WHP? The consensus is that CAI is a few HP tops, catback is a few HP tops, some folks say the mid pipe is worth a bit but other say it's not worth much at all. Dynos talk, but too few people dyno a single component back-to-back, they lump a bunch of mods together and it's tough to say WHICH component produced the best gains.
Lightweight cars have their own advantages. I'm okay with getting beat by trucks or Camrys in a straight line, because that's not what I consider "competition". The RX-8s prowess is displayed on a winding road, autocross, or road course.
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Life After 8K RPM....
I have an 06 ported motor with AEM, BhR Ignition , BHR Midpipe and Full cat back exhaust.
It netted at 225ish WHP.
I have a few friends who dynoed their 8's all stock at 185-200 whp.
One friend dynoed his 8 with cat delete 210 WHP
I guess it also depends on engine's health.
The most I recall seeing N/A build pushed 230 WHP thats with porting, polishing and etc
Rx8 came pretty refined from factory and Mazda milked every last drop of juice out of this renny motor.
Best and Cheapest mod by far has been CAT Delete and it also helps your engine last longer
It netted at 225ish WHP.
I have a few friends who dynoed their 8's all stock at 185-200 whp.
One friend dynoed his 8 with cat delete 210 WHP
I guess it also depends on engine's health.
The most I recall seeing N/A build pushed 230 WHP thats with porting, polishing and etc
Rx8 came pretty refined from factory and Mazda milked every last drop of juice out of this renny motor.
Best and Cheapest mod by far has been CAT Delete and it also helps your engine last longer
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Life After 8K RPM....
I have yet to get mine tuned, it's still running factory flash.
I am hoping to gain a few more ponies maybe 5-10 whp at best if anything i guess
But I'll be injecting more oil in the rotors to prevent premature wear
Have my fans come on earlier
and See If I can get something done about fuel economy not my biggest concern but we will see :-)
I was thinking to go with BHR Headers, but changed my mind. I'll either be boosting the renny next year or go with REW Swap.
I am hoping to gain a few more ponies maybe 5-10 whp at best if anything i guess
But I'll be injecting more oil in the rotors to prevent premature wear
Have my fans come on earlier
and See If I can get something done about fuel economy not my biggest concern but we will see :-)
I was thinking to go with BHR Headers, but changed my mind. I'll either be boosting the renny next year or go with REW Swap.
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I have yet to get mine tuned, it's still running factory flash.
I am hoping to gain a few more ponies maybe 5-10 whp at best if anything i guess
But I'll be injecting more oil in the rotors to prevent premature wear
Have my fans come on earlier
and See If I can get something done about fuel economy not my biggest concern but we will see :-)
I was thinking to go with BHR Headers, but changed my mind. I'll either be boosting the renny next year or go with REW Swap.
I am hoping to gain a few more ponies maybe 5-10 whp at best if anything i guess
But I'll be injecting more oil in the rotors to prevent premature wear
Have my fans come on earlier
and See If I can get something done about fuel economy not my biggest concern but we will see :-)
I was thinking to go with BHR Headers, but changed my mind. I'll either be boosting the renny next year or go with REW Swap.
Unlikely you will get much more from a tune ... maybe playing with timing a little may yeild something .
Porting raises the volumetric efficiency of the engine and the result from that is that the ECU max calc. load cieling is hit and it will run leaner . I've seen it where this effect put AFRs exactly where you want them ,more by accident than by design .A proper tune will make it all work the way it was supposed to but not give you anymore power.
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I have an 06 ported motor with AEM, BhR Ignition , BHR Midpipe and Full cat back exhaust.
It netted at 225ish WHP.
I have a few friends who dynoed their 8's all stock at 185-200 whp.
One friend dynoed his 8 with cat delete 210 WHP
I guess it also depends on engine's health.
The most I recall seeing N/A build pushed 230 WHP thats with porting, polishing and etc
Rx8 came pretty refined from factory and Mazda milked every last drop of juice out of this renny motor.
Best and Cheapest mod by far has been CAT Delete and it also helps your engine last longer
It netted at 225ish WHP.
I have a few friends who dynoed their 8's all stock at 185-200 whp.
One friend dynoed his 8 with cat delete 210 WHP
I guess it also depends on engine's health.
The most I recall seeing N/A build pushed 230 WHP thats with porting, polishing and etc
Rx8 came pretty refined from factory and Mazda milked every last drop of juice out of this renny motor.
Best and Cheapest mod by far has been CAT Delete and it also helps your engine last longer
Do you recall what midpipe was used for that 210WHP pull? some folks claim the factory midpipe isn't restrictive.
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Life After 8K RPM....
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Life After 8K RPM....
Unlikely you will get much more from a tune ... maybe playing with timing a little may yeild something .
Porting raises the volumetric efficiency of the engine and the result from that is that the ECU max calc. load cieling is hit and it will run leaner . I've seen it where this effect put AFRs exactly where you want them ,more by accident than by design .A proper tune will make it all work the way it was supposed to but not give you anymore power.
Porting raises the volumetric efficiency of the engine and the result from that is that the ECU max calc. load cieling is hit and it will run leaner . I've seen it where this effect put AFRs exactly where you want them ,more by accident than by design .A proper tune will make it all work the way it was supposed to but not give you anymore power.
Yes, I am leaning towards a tune so all the mods sync in and my engine runs properly.
To feed my need for Pawaah! i am following your turbo build thread :-) Great stuff in that thread.
I am fairly new to tuning concept, just acquired an unmarried cobb and will get a rotary tuner to tune it for me for now.