New to the rx8 game lol
02-04-2014, 08:14 PM
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I know the OP is apparently allergic to searching, but the swap cost isn't pulled from thin air. It's the actual cost of the handful of folks who have actually done it. Yes, many of them "did the work themselves" and the costs generally rose in that case rather than being cheaper. Swapping a motor into an RX-8 is very costly, and the only one that is remotely viable for the benefit imo is a 13B-REW.
Also... Evo's are too expensive for what you get? 290 at the crank?! ...Wow. Have you ever seen an Evo? I made 330 whp basically bone stock with an exhaust/intake and a tune. I ran 450 whp with a small stock frame turbo with stock pistons/rods on pump gas for years. There are several guys who run 600-700 whp on stock pistons/rods.
I am certainly not suggesting you get an Evo... I'm perfectly happy with you having an RX-8, but you should probably listen to RIWWP because he's a lot nicer than he should be and is actually trying to help.
Also... Evo's are too expensive for what you get? 290 at the crank?! ...Wow. Have you ever seen an Evo? I made 330 whp basically bone stock with an exhaust/intake and a tune. I ran 450 whp with a small stock frame turbo with stock pistons/rods on pump gas for years. There are several guys who run 600-700 whp on stock pistons/rods.
I am certainly not suggesting you get an Evo... I'm perfectly happy with you having an RX-8, but you should probably listen to RIWWP because he's a lot nicer than he should be and is actually trying to help.
yes i have seen evos and yes i know what they can do and what power they can make. but to pay the amount of money they want for then and then start adding money on top to make big power is crazy in my book. and for being the moderator i think RIWWP should be a bit nicer. not a very warm welcome if you ask me.
02-04-2014, 08:28 PM
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Yes. I need to be nicer and more patient with newbies here. I have a reputation for being a complete ******* and all around jerk.
I guess I gotta work on that. Thanks for the advice.
I guess I gotta work on that. Thanks for the advice.
02-04-2014, 08:30 PM
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Also, if you think an Evo is expensive... try doing that engine swap.
RIWWP, I'm not allowed to call the OP a moron right?
02-04-2014, 09:13 PM
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Bro I'm not trying to come out you the wrong way but yea I do think that you was a bit rude. And thats mess up since you are the one who runs this forum or one of the ones who does not sure on that.
02-04-2014, 09:15 PM
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02-04-2014, 09:25 PM
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Ok so why am I a moron? Because I have a different opining then you on evos or is it because I think that it will not cost me 20k to do a swap. Did it ever occur to you that I might have a few connections or that I might know a good deal about cars and how to do swaps on them and stuff. Maybe for some of the people that have done a swap it has cost them that much but I'm sure that it's some out there that have done it with way less money. Unless I'll end up paying 19 to 17k on fabrication and computers and stuff like that then I'm sure I will be able to do it for less then 20k.
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So yes, you irritated me from the start. I'm trying to ignore that, but you keep reminding me of why you irritated me, so it's starting to turn into a rash.
And no, I don't run the forum.
02-04-2014, 09:43 PM
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I do my best, though giving an impression of treating all the readily available information as a joke and not worth your time will provoke an unfavorable response nearly always. The answers were literally inches of distance on your screen from where you clicked "new thread", so asking for a handout when you already ignored the significant amount of effort to put together the information gets a bit offensive. And as the one who put together most of that information, it is even more offensive to me than most.
So yes, you irritated me from the start. I'm trying to ignore that, but you keep reminding me of why you irritated me, so it's starting to turn into a rash.
And no, I don't run the forum.
So yes, you irritated me from the start. I'm trying to ignore that, but you keep reminding me of why you irritated me, so it's starting to turn into a rash.
And no, I don't run the forum.
02-04-2014, 09:44 PM
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Ok so why am I a moron? Because I have a different opining then you on evos or is it because I think that it will not cost me 20k to do a swap. Did it ever occur to you that I might have a few connections or that I might know a good deal about cars and how to do swaps on them and stuff. Maybe for some of the people that have done a swap it has cost them that much but I'm sure that it's some out there that have done it with way less money. Unless I'll end up paying 19 to 17k on fabrication and computers and stuff like that then I'm sure I will be able to do it for less then 20k.
We have been seeing people saying that for years, but so far it has never come true. So no, we don't believe that you can. Plenty of swaps have stopped short of $20k, but an incomplete swap because they ran out of money doesn't qualify as "cheaper".
It's no different than people that think they can turbocharge their RX-8 for the $3,000 that they can get a turbo kit for. They start finding out that stuff doesn't fit right, the turbo is already dead and needs rebuilding, the engine management they were sold with the kit either blows their engine or they recongize the danger in time and start trying other engine management, then they find their cooling system is overtaxed with the higher heat and less radiator airflow so they have to upgrade that, etc...$10k is consistently the minimum value there with some REALLY rare exceptions.
Back in 2003 when the RX-8 was released, people started talking engine swaps, people that were disappointed in the power. What does it tell you that in the US, there appear to have been less than 10 complete swaps, several dozen complete hackjobs that were never finished, and probably hundreds of new owners that talk about it and then sell the 8 and disappear? Of those completed swaps, nearly all of them have been 13b-REW swaps.
I think there are only 2 completed LS swaps in the US, one of them a beautiful LS3 swapped 2009 R3. The dealer that did it has been trying to sell it for a while with a price point of $69,000. $32,000 MSRP + $30,000 swap...yeah, it sounds about right.
If you think it can be done, feel free to prove us wrong, but we simply will never put any weight on what you tell us you could do. We have been hearing that over and over, and no one ever delivers on it.
02-04-2014, 09:52 PM
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"just miss that certain thread"
The big blue text? or the big red text? or the information repeated in 2 of the threads below that? See how close they are to the "New Thread" button?
Do you see what I mean? Just happen to miss all that? The text of the big blue link even replicates your question:
Hey maybe you can let me know why is it that I can't post on the other sections
Please, if you can tell me how I could make it clearer and more obvious, I'm entirely open to suggestions.
02-04-2014, 10:05 PM
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Simple because I just did not see it. When I ask the question I was on this tread not in that page. I follow the link from my email to here. And it was a simple question that I figure could get answer real quick by the people that was posting on here already. I just think that even if I was in your shoes and was the one that wrote. I would have simply answer the question with because it's a 30 waiting period. Here go on here it will explain it. And thats it. But hey what ever I got my answer regardless from some one else who thought the same way I do. It's cool it's the past I don't care. Let's start on a new page and put that behind us.
02-04-2014, 10:11 PM
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If you really think you can do it for less, by all means, try to prove us wrong.
We have been seeing people saying that for years, but so far it has never come true. So no, we don't believe that you can. Plenty of swaps have stopped short of $20k, but an incomplete swap because they ran out of money doesn't qualify as "cheaper".
It's no different than people that think they can turbocharge their RX-8 for the $3,000 that they can get a turbo kit for. They start finding out that stuff doesn't fit right, the turbo is already dead and needs rebuilding, the engine management they were sold with the kit either blows their engine or they recongize the danger in time and start trying other engine management, then they find their cooling system is overtaxed with the higher heat and less radiator airflow so they have to upgrade that, etc...$10k is consistently the minimum value there with some REALLY rare exceptions.
Back in 2003 when the RX-8 was released, people started talking engine swaps, people that were disappointed in the power. What does it tell you that in the US, there appear to have been less than 10 complete swaps, several dozen complete hackjobs that were never finished, and probably hundreds of new owners that talk about it and then sell the 8 and disappear? Of those completed swaps, nearly all of them have been 13b-REW swaps.
I think there are only 2 completed LS swaps in the US, one of them a beautiful LS3 swapped 2009 R3. The dealer that did it has been trying to sell it for a while with a price point of $69,000. $32,000 MSRP + $30,000 swap...yeah, it sounds about right.
If you think it can be done, feel free to prove us wrong, but we simply will never put any weight on what you tell us you could do. We have been hearing that over and over, and no one ever delivers on it.
We have been seeing people saying that for years, but so far it has never come true. So no, we don't believe that you can. Plenty of swaps have stopped short of $20k, but an incomplete swap because they ran out of money doesn't qualify as "cheaper".
It's no different than people that think they can turbocharge their RX-8 for the $3,000 that they can get a turbo kit for. They start finding out that stuff doesn't fit right, the turbo is already dead and needs rebuilding, the engine management they were sold with the kit either blows their engine or they recongize the danger in time and start trying other engine management, then they find their cooling system is overtaxed with the higher heat and less radiator airflow so they have to upgrade that, etc...$10k is consistently the minimum value there with some REALLY rare exceptions.
Back in 2003 when the RX-8 was released, people started talking engine swaps, people that were disappointed in the power. What does it tell you that in the US, there appear to have been less than 10 complete swaps, several dozen complete hackjobs that were never finished, and probably hundreds of new owners that talk about it and then sell the 8 and disappear? Of those completed swaps, nearly all of them have been 13b-REW swaps.
I think there are only 2 completed LS swaps in the US, one of them a beautiful LS3 swapped 2009 R3. The dealer that did it has been trying to sell it for a while with a price point of $69,000. $32,000 MSRP + $30,000 swap...yeah, it sounds about right.
If you think it can be done, feel free to prove us wrong, but we simply will never put any weight on what you tell us you could do. We have been hearing that over and over, and no one ever delivers on it.
I just don't see how it can get that high really. I have done swaps, turbo builds, help out friends with swaps and never seen it go that high in any car. Unless people paying like 10k for a motor I just don't see it. I know it's not going to be that cheap considering some custome parts will have to get done. Will see. It's a plan anyway. Not in action yet. I have a friend that is doing one now so I'll let you know what he spends.
02-04-2014, 10:31 PM
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See my prior post in which I start scratching the surface of how complicated it is. NONE of the customization stuff is already premade that you can buy somewhere. You literally have to R+D every single piece. How many times have you fabricated a piece of hardware and had it fit perfectly the first time? It costs money to keep re-making it until it fits right. And that's just the hardware. How good are you at building your own electronics control modules, and coding them to get everything talking together correctly? You are going to be paying somebody for something, and the costs will add up fast. A turn-key swap where they do everything for you would be $40k+.
Look at Flyin Miata. They have done dozens of LS3 swaps into Miatas, using parts that they already did the R+D on, have spares and replicas in stock, and can make them perfectly on demand as needed. Their turn-key swap costs $47,000. People that do ALL the work themselves can do the same swap for around $15,000-$20,000, ordering the parts they need and no real need to fabricate anything. That is for an engine of the same basic design that fits in the same basic location, just a bit bigger than the stock engine.
The RX-8's engine is in a location that it is physically impossible to mount any other engine there, and requires essentially re-making the entire front end of the car. How exactly will you beat that price for a more radical change in hardware, electronics, and software?
Look at Flyin Miata. They have done dozens of LS3 swaps into Miatas, using parts that they already did the R+D on, have spares and replicas in stock, and can make them perfectly on demand as needed. Their turn-key swap costs $47,000. People that do ALL the work themselves can do the same swap for around $15,000-$20,000, ordering the parts they need and no real need to fabricate anything. That is for an engine of the same basic design that fits in the same basic location, just a bit bigger than the stock engine.
The RX-8's engine is in a location that it is physically impossible to mount any other engine there, and requires essentially re-making the entire front end of the car. How exactly will you beat that price for a more radical change in hardware, electronics, and software?
02-06-2014, 07:58 PM
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Damn this post got huge. RIWWP is right, I've seen two RX-8 with swapped engines personally, both done professionally for an owner with deep pockets. The space just isn't there, and then there's the heat issues, body integrity, etc. Wishing you the best of luck if you do try it Hlover1, seriously, but it's better to plan for these headaches now rather than when you figure out that (insert engine name here) doesn't fit because of (insert RX-8 part here) and (insert electrical component name here) won't play nice with anything.
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