New parts! Question about the coils
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New parts! Question about the coils
Decided to give my car some TLC since its nearly 40 miles and as far as I can tell, its still on the stock ignition coils and plugs. I can feel a loss of power and the idle is rough sometimes. And the catalytic converter is shot, spewing bits of metal into my resonator.
So I've ordered an updated 2.2kw starter motor. LS2 coils, wires and plugs and adapter harness. And I have a decat pipe coming.
About the coils though, I'm not good at fabricating ****. Last time I tried to weld I just keep melting the metal. Do you think some thick zipties will be enough to hold the ignition coils in place or do you think they'll melt? I'm not spending over 100 quid on a LS2 coil bracket. Thanks
So I've ordered an updated 2.2kw starter motor. LS2 coils, wires and plugs and adapter harness. And I have a decat pipe coming.
About the coils though, I'm not good at fabricating ****. Last time I tried to weld I just keep melting the metal. Do you think some thick zipties will be enough to hold the ignition coils in place or do you think they'll melt? I'm not spending over 100 quid on a LS2 coil bracket. Thanks
Last edited by Surasonac; 07-03-2018 at 12:58 PM.
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Oh and i'm planning on just zipping them together, and then to the stock bracket.
Last edited by Surasonac; 07-03-2018 at 02:43 PM.
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Idk if that's a good idea.
I'd be worried about possible arcing
Maybe try to rig up something with insulators in between.
It's not rocket science, if you put your mind to it, I'm sure you could come up with a DIY solution.
I'd be worried about possible arcing
Maybe try to rig up something with insulators in between.
It's not rocket science, if you put your mind to it, I'm sure you could come up with a DIY solution.
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They should be adequately insulated from the outside, I highly doubt they will arc. I'm just worried about the spark plug boots working loose with the vibrations. I'd have to make sure they don't move around at all. I'm gonna fill the boot with silicone grease.
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I'm interested in getting coils as well. How does the DIY LS2 coils compare to the BHR system for cost? Is there a paticular D-585 coil that is best? I did find the below info on installing LS coils.
https://www.normalexception.net/Mazd...-ls2-ignition/
https://www.normalexception.net/Mazd...-ls2-ignition/
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I'm interested in getting coils as well. How does the LS2 coils compare to the BHR system? Does the BHR system use LS2 coils? Is there a big difference in cost? Idid find the below info on installing LS coils.
https://www.normalexception.net/Mazd...-ls2-ignition/
https://www.normalexception.net/Mazd...-ls2-ignition/
Personally I wouldn't waste money on companies like BHR. I just got the coils for £140, adapter harness was £30 and the leads were £20. So a grand total of £190. Thats much better than BHR's £400. I just spend about £400 total on a starter motor, decat pipe, spark plugs, wires and coils. See how much you save by going DIY instead of though ripoff companies. Only thing I need is a bracket now but i'm going to rig something up.
Last edited by Surasonac; 07-03-2018 at 05:06 PM.
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What brand coils did you get?
Yeah thy do use D858 I believe. The biggest pro is you don't have to replace them every 10k miles. They provide a much stronger spark and everyone I have seen who has got them says the idle and power deliver is so much smoother. The car just sounds and feels smoother. Better gas mileage too!
Personally I wouldn't waste money on companies like BHR. I just got the coils for £140, adapter harness was £30 and the leads were £20. So a grand total of £190. Thats much better than BHR's £400. I just spend about £400 total on a starter motor, decat pipe, spark plugs, wires and coils. See how much you save by going DIY instead of though ripoff companies. Only thing I need is a bracket now but i'm going to rig something up.
Personally I wouldn't waste money on companies like BHR. I just got the coils for £140, adapter harness was £30 and the leads were £20. So a grand total of £190. Thats much better than BHR's £400. I just spend about £400 total on a starter motor, decat pipe, spark plugs, wires and coils. See how much you save by going DIY instead of though ripoff companies. Only thing I need is a bracket now but i'm going to rig something up.
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The company that pioneered the D585 coils setup and invested in all the R&D and testing is a rip-off company? It would be more accurate to say all the other companies that have copied BHR are the rip-off companies. Geez.
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- Admits that he can't fabricate
- Gets inspiration from a plug-and-play kit, and proceeds to say the plug-and-play kit is a ripoff
I don't even.
Welp, time to take off my BHR mid-pipe for a Y-pipe.
- Gets inspiration from a plug-and-play kit, and proceeds to say the plug-and-play kit is a ripoff
I don't even.
Welp, time to take off my BHR mid-pipe for a Y-pipe.
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I already went over the prices... it cost me £190 for the coils and wires and adapter harness. Why in the hell would I pay £400 from BHR just for a metal bracket. Thats over double the price. You'd have to be really stupid to take that deal. I'm almost certain i'll be able to rig something up weather it be cable ties or sheet metal and tin snips. I'll figure it out but its not worth paying over double the price for BHR to just slap their logo on top of the coils and give you a bracket. Some people don't have unlimited money. I still need to get my clutch repaired which is going to be £500 if not more. I don't have money to waste on branding when it could be used elsewhere. I don't care if my solution doesn't look pretty, nothing in the engine bay is very pretty. And to be fair the only reason I got the adapter harness was because it was quite cheap and it makes things easier, i'm very capable of working on electronics. I could quite have easily just hardwired the new coil in or used sheathed spade connectors.
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That's not the point. Would you have known to even try these particular Chevy coils if someone hadn't done the research before? Nobody says you have to buy BHR, but it happens that Charles has done more than a little to help the RX8 community, so when you take a swing at him/BHR, folks are going to be inclined to correct you right back.
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I understand both positions on this. Charles has made a big contribution to these vehicles. Also his products appear to be well engineered. They are also the most expensive. Unfortunately in order to wholesale to other distributors there needs to be some mark up and he can't under cut them by selling direct. Also there has to be some profit or why do it.
I'm fortunate because I have millions of dollars worth of equipment and can manufacture most products. I don't because my time is worth x. Still sometimes I see a product that I feel is over price and it is a motivator. The BHR is not really one them though. I also spend the time to evaluate the value of a product. In this case I don't know if BHR is supplying a $20 coil or a $60 coil X 4. Honestly if it is the later and the system comes with MSD wires I would buy it from BHR for $539.
I'm fortunate because I have millions of dollars worth of equipment and can manufacture most products. I don't because my time is worth x. Still sometimes I see a product that I feel is over price and it is a motivator. The BHR is not really one them though. I also spend the time to evaluate the value of a product. In this case I don't know if BHR is supplying a $20 coil or a $60 coil X 4. Honestly if it is the later and the system comes with MSD wires I would buy it from BHR for $539.
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That's not the point. Would you have known to even try these particular Chevy coils if someone hadn't done the research before? Nobody says you have to buy BHR, but it happens that Charles has done more than a little to help the RX8 community, so when you take a swing at him/BHR, folks are going to be inclined to correct you right back.
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Yeah I would have know to buy those coils without BHR. I watch Driven by madness on youtube who bought the parts independently like myself and constructed his own bracket. I was going from his advice long before I came across BHR's product. I understand Charles has done a lot to help the Community. Not taking a swing at anyone, I'm sure BHR products are top quality. I'm just saying the price is REALLY steep for what you get. Thats a hell load of brand tax that I could spend else where on Improving my car more.
But yeah, if you want a bracket, I think Benett Built sells theirs for US$80, so if you absolutely can't rig up a bracket, there is that option.
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Charles is one the first people to explore the D585 coil option, though. Anyone after him is inspired by him, DBM included.
But yeah, if you want a bracket, I think Benett Built sells theirs for US$80, so if you absolutely can't rig up a bracket, there is that option.
But yeah, if you want a bracket, I think Benett Built sells theirs for US$80, so if you absolutely can't rig up a bracket, there is that option.
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Yeah I would have know to buy those coils without BHR. I watch Driven by madness on youtube who bought the parts independently like myself and constructed his own bracket. I was going from his advice long before I came across BHR's product. I understand Charles has done a lot to help the Community. Not taking a swing at anyone, I'm sure BHR products are top quality. I'm just saying the price is REALLY steep for what you get. Thats a hell load of brand tax that I could spend else where on Improving my car more.
He has a thread on here where mistakes in his videos were pointed out, but the videos are still up with said mistakes. So take what you see with grains of salt. It's not because it's on YouTube that it's correct.
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You do realize that BHR pre-dates DBM by 10 years, if not more? DBM is a member on here just like you, where do you think he got the idea?
He has a thread on here where mistakes in his videos were pointed out, but the videos are still up with said mistakes. So take what you see with grains of salt. It's not because it's on YouTube that it's correct.
He has a thread on here where mistakes in his videos were pointed out, but the videos are still up with said mistakes. So take what you see with grains of salt. It's not because it's on YouTube that it's correct.
- Gets inspiration from a plug-and-play kit, and proceeds to say the plug-and-play kit is a ripoff
And I usually spot DBM's mistakes anyway, usually pretty simple ones. I don't just blindly follow what people say, I do research myself. But after watching his results I immediately wanted them for my car.
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I understand both positions on this. Charles has made a big contribution to these vehicles. Also his products appear to be well engineered. They are also the most expensive. Unfortunately in order to wholesale to other distributors there needs to be some mark up and he can't under cut them by selling direct. Also there has to be some profit or why do it.
I'm fortunate because I have millions of dollars worth of equipment and can manufacture most products. I don't because my time is worth x. Still sometimes I see a product that I feel is over price and it is a motivator. The BHR is not really one them though. I also spend the time to evaluate the value of a product. In this case I don't know if BHR is supplying a $20 coil or a $60 coil X 4. Honestly if it is the later and the system comes with MSD wires I would buy it from BHR for $539.
I'm fortunate because I have millions of dollars worth of equipment and can manufacture most products. I don't because my time is worth x. Still sometimes I see a product that I feel is over price and it is a motivator. The BHR is not really one them though. I also spend the time to evaluate the value of a product. In this case I don't know if BHR is supplying a $20 coil or a $60 coil X 4. Honestly if it is the later and the system comes with MSD wires I would buy it from BHR for $539.
Replaced it with the more expensive SakeBomb kit which uses Mercury IGN1-A coils, just because I wanted to try a new product.
http://www.sakebombgarage.com/comple...-kit-se3p-rx8/
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I looked at the 1GN1-A systems at sakebomb. What is the benefit? The coils are very expensive. Their wiring harness looks more complex then the BHR.
Fwiw, I have a mercury 250proxs on my bass boat and have been warned by many with same that I should carry a spare coil.
Fwiw, I have a mercury 250proxs on my bass boat and have been warned by many with same that I should carry a spare coil.
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I've heard of one coil failing so far.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...-259001/page2/
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...-259001/page2/
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I've heard of one coil failing so far.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...-259001/page2/
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...-259001/page2/
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If you want to be more technical, D585 coils do make a more energetic spark, but that spark lasts shorter. The stock coils make a weaker spark but that spark lasts longer. 1GN seems to be somewhere between the two.
You need to change the dwell setting to fully bring out the potential power of any aftermarket coils.