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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 03:27 AM
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Need someone knowledgeable of Rx-8 in KCMO area.

Last month my car was running fine. I had just changed plugs, wires, coils, and upgraded starter. New water pump and belts as well. It was running as good as ever, and then one morning I went to start it and it wouldn't start. I got it to run again from a rolling start, but it won't start, and I'm not sure what it could be. I tried to see if it was flooded, and everything. But it doesn't make sense that it would stop working overnight. So if there's anyone in the area that could maybe come take a look at it, I would be SUPER grateful. The closest rotary mechanic is 3 hours away and that'd be one hell of a tow.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 08:48 AM
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So, it starts if you push start but not if you use the starter motor?

Does it crank at all when you use the key?
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordayummm
Last month my car was running fine. I had just changed plugs, wires, coils, and upgraded starter. New water pump and belts as well. It was running as good as ever, and then one morning I went to start it and it wouldn't start. I got it to run again from a rolling start, but it won't start, and I'm not sure what it could be. I tried to see if it was flooded, and everything. But it doesn't make sense that it would stop working overnight. So if there's anyone in the area that could maybe come take a look at it, I would be SUPER grateful. The closest rotary mechanic is 3 hours away and that'd be one hell of a tow.
I'm in the area, but I don't think I'll have time until next month.
First thing I would do is ensure the battery terminals are clean and tight on the posts, they can stretch and be loose even if the bolts are tight.
Be sure you have a full charge on it and try deflooding it again.
Have it checked if It's more than a couple of years old, my last one lasted only 3 years.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 02:13 PM
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Yeah. It cranks over, it just won't start. It gets very close to starting but won't. I hooked up to my dad's battery charger and tried deflooding it for like an hour. but when It was parked on a hill, I just threw it into gear and it started?? So I'm not sure.

I double checked the battery as well! I had just bought a new one in December so I'm not sure if it's that.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordayummm
Yeah. It cranks over, it just won't start. It gets very close to starting but won't. I hooked up to my dad's battery charger and tried deflooding it for like an hour. but when It was parked on a hill, I just threw it into gear and it started?? So I'm not sure.

I double checked the battery as well! I had just bought a new one in December so I'm not sure if it's that.
Starter would be my next guess.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 06:11 PM
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That's what I thought but I installed the new upgraded starter and it spins faster but won't start up
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 06:23 PM
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If it starts fine when you roll it and it runs good, then I don't know.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 06:29 PM
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Are you sure your battery is fully charged? Cranking a bad starter is definitely a fast way to kill it.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 06:43 PM
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Yeah, I had it on a battery charger, and then checked with a multimeter I'm not sure what it could be either. I kinda went through everything I thought it could be. And nothing worked, so that's why I'm here asking for help now Hah a.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 07:03 PM
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Any strange noises when cranking?
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 07:07 PM
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Nope! It sounds like it's about to start up! And then, sadness.
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Old Sep 19, 2017 | 08:59 PM
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Maybe double check your terminal wires and ground wires for corrosion, be sure they're not loose.
If it runs fine after starting, it seems logical it's in the charging/starting system somewhere, and can rule out the usual suspects like dirty ESS & MAF sensors, vacuum leaks, & fuel pump.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tro...t-here-222584/
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 03:41 AM
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I'll check it out again!
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 03:52 AM
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****. I never even thought about the alternator needing replaced. Would it even crank if the alternator was bad though??
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordayummm
****. I never even thought about the alternator needing replaced. Would it even crank if the alternator was bad though??
It could with a strong battery, but it probably would drain quickly if you keep turning it over.
You said it sounded like it's spinning good enough, but it could be just slow enough to not start.
With a strong battery, and if you keep recharging it with a charger, or keep the charger on while deflooding, you might be compensating for a bad alternator.
There's a link in that thread on how to test it.
In the old days we'd just pull the terminal off the battery and if it was bad, it would die, but I wouldn't do it on a modern car with the sophisticated electronics, too risky.
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 05:18 AM
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It's not real hard to take the alternator off and have it bench tested at a parts store if you want to be sure, just be sure to disconnect your battery first, and remember to reset the NVRAM with the 20 brake stomp afterwards.
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 09:32 AM
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In the old days we'd just pull the terminal off the battery and if it was bad, it would die, but I wouldn't do it on a modern car with the sophisticated electronics, too risky.
Worked just fine with my first S1 RX8. Also wouldn't recommend it, but it does work.
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 03:23 PM
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Okay. I'll test the alternator and get back to you guys soon. Thanks!
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Old Sep 20, 2017 | 06:37 PM
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Testing a battery with a multimeter isn't good enough. It's possible for it to have adequate voltage but not be able to deliver enough current.
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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 04:18 AM
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Oh, so what should I use to test it?? Or where should I take it to be tested?
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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 06:02 AM
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edit: Oops, wrong thread. Brain no worky that early

Yah, what BC said, most parts stores can test your alternator and battery.

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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordayummm
Oh, so what should I use to test it?? Or where should I take it to be tested?
If you're talking about the battery, most any parts store does it, and if you're doing that, you may want to bring your alternator too.
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The reason I say that is even if your battery is relatively new, if the alternator is bad, it may have been in a low charge state for a long time, and that could possibly affect the life of it.
If you're reasonably close to a parts store, you might want to get the battery checked first, then if it checks out, do your alternator.
My last battery was weak, I could tell, but the guy at the parts store said it was good after a brief test.
I had a prorated warranty so I insisted they give me a new battery, problem solved.

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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NotAPreppie
Well, you can take your '8 to a dealership to do a compression test. It usually runs 1-2 hours book rate so expect to pay $100-$200 for that.

Alternatively, you can purchase your own rotary compression tester for ≈$350 from forum vendor RotaryCompressionTester.com
https://www.rx8club.com/rotary-compr...-ktc70-265961/

I have an earlier version of one of those and it's a pretty good product. I recommend purchasing your own if you have a garage or place where you can safely pull the front driver side wheel off for easier access to the spark plugs. Then you can help other '8 owners in your area when they are in the same position as you.
I have one I haven't used yet.
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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NotAPreppie
edit: Oops, wrong thread. Brain no worky that early

Yah, what BC said, most parts stores can test your alternator and battery.
It happens.
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Old Sep 22, 2017 | 01:52 PM
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Okay! I don't have a free day until Sunday, but I'll try to get them both tested.
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