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Old 01-29-2016, 12:29 PM
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need some helo diagnosing a no start. might be transmission related.

Okay so about a week ago i bought an 05 shinka. It wasn't perfect but it had good compression numbers. The clutch squeaked when it wasn't being pushed and whooshed when it was pushed in. Thr owner said throwout bearing. The ssv was also sticking open after a lot of highway driving. I could deal with the flaws so i bought thr rx. Now fastforward a week and 300 miles.

Driving home from work, i tried to shift from first to second. The clutch pedal vibrated a little when pushed in otherwise no notable noises. When i trying to let the clutch out, it stayed down. My first thought was a the slave cylinder or TOB Went. Well i got it halfway to a gas station it stalled on me. Now it will not restart. The car in neutral will turn and you can hear it catch but it won't keep turning. Could a clutch failure cause this? I intend to drop and replace it all anyways, but do i need to be looking at something else also? There was no MIAC, not rattle from the engine, no cat to get clogged, ignition replaced 5k miles ago with oem, 64k miles on engine. When starting it almost feels like the clutch is seized on the input shaft or something. And the predal travel for the clutch doesnt feel like there is enough travel to dosengage the clutch. And there is a little more dead wiggle room than there used to be. Any help would be awesome. Advice links videos the whole 9 yards.
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check the clutch pedal, the bracket holding it to the firewall is know to break. they make re enforcement kits but its easier/cheaper to just pull out the pedal and weld it
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It is not a broken pedal. That was the first thing i checked. Also another thing, not sure if normal. Car will go through all the gears but fifth without starting or clutch pressed. When clutch is pressed it goes into all gears. Could it be the throwout bearing not disengaging the clutch all the way and that little big of drag is keeping it from starting?
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Okay spitballing ideas here. What if the bearing got loose enough that it pushed through the clutch so that it was dragging the flywheel causing it to not spin as freely as it should and thus slow down the starter enough that even though it will turn, it can't turn quick enough to turn over and fully start.
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Originally Posted by xanex18
Okay spitballing ideas here. What if the bearing got loose enough that it pushed through the clutch so that it was dragging the flywheel causing it to not spin as freely as it should and thus slow down the starter enough that even though it will turn, it can't turn quick enough to turn over and fully start.
Unless the bearing siezed the clutch to the input shaft it should still start with the clutch in. If the starter doesn't make the car jump forward then the clutch is disengaged .

The lockout switch might not be working correctly....that way the starter won't activate cause it thinks the clutch isn't pushed in....
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Okay the starter IS activating. The engine will turn. It is getting fuel. It is getting spark. I dont have a compression tester nearby to redo the test, and dealer wants 300$ for test. The car is getting bad gas milage, not sure if a factor nut it went through 3/4 tank in 80 miles. The catalytic converter is gutted. The engine isn't flooded as there is a clear distinct difference in sound from the fuel pump on vs off. I heard what almost sounded like metal on metal scraping when i tried to start it a moment ago.
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Okay so there is definitely something binding up somewhere. I cant tell if it's coming from under the car by the bell housing or the engine area. It sounds like metal grating over metal or ceramic. Is the ecu smart enough to detect an issue with the clutch or trans area and prevent the car from starting?
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Kay update. I let the car sit for a couple hours. Now the clutch has no pressure, goes down and doesn't come back unles you tap it or the brake. Also locked out of all the gears without the clutch depressed. So I'm leaning heavily towards the TOB at this point. And I'm hoping it's just ming the engine causing it to not start. I will probably get the exedy stage 1 and chuck it on and see where it goes.

Edit. Okay well. With the clutch on the floor and the car in first, it moves when trying to start. Therefore now im just confused. I thought that this only happened with a bad slave cylinder but im not losing or leaking any fluid. Does a bad throw out bearing mimic a bad slave cylinder?

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Kay update. I let the car sit for a couple hours. Now the clutch has no pressure, goes down and doesn't come back unles you tap it or the brake. Also locked out of all the gears without the clutch depressed. So I'm leaning heavily towards the TOB at this point. And I'm hoping it's just ming the engine causing it to not start. I will probably get the exedy stage 1 and chuck it on and see where it goes.

Edit. Okay well. With the clutch on the floor and the car in first, it moves when trying to start. Therefore now im just confused. I thought that this only happened with a bad slave cylinder but im not losing or leaking any fluid. Does a bad throw out bearing mimic a bad slave cylinder?
If you get an air leak into the fluid it gets mushy and doesn't work

Usually throw out bearings get really noisy when they fail

The pivot or push lever may have failed...you might want to check that
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I think the pressure plate itself might have failed. Either way, i plan on dropping the tranny tommorow to check it out for sure.
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