ShellDude

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I just noticed that you didn't get MSP16 until Feb of this year... that's a lot of time to be running on the old fueling and omp tables. I also doubt there is any warranty left on your car at this point.

keen0arene

no, the warranty finished either may 30th or mid june (engine), but when I spoke to mazda NA warranty, the rep said that considering I've had 2 engine replacements, and been to the dealer so many times, that he wasnt ruling out helping me out.

So I *Might* be still helped by Mazda. I'd be clicking my heels and dancing if they were willing to even pay part of the cost, so long as I could afford it.

My next step is lawyers, if a private shop is too expensive.

(I'm out of work, and my job was in medical sales, as a field rep, so the car is mandatory.)

detectiveorange

That'd be kick *** if they offered to help you out man. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they HAVE to do anything. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it takes one to figure out that if something on your car was messed up after the warranty, it's on you. Even if the problem did start occurring when the car WAS under warranty.

I wouldn't recommend getting lawyers involved, honestly. If you can't pay the money to get fixed after mazda tells you what they can/can't do, I'd just sell the car =/

Carbon8

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This is all thats wrong with society today, manufacturer makes a claim to stand by you and support you for X amount of time under Y amount of circumstances. 3 years into the deal they said wait a second I am going to give your more X time for nothing extra just because we want you covered.

X expires, you run into a problem unfortunate as it is. You say **** them they should cover me I am going to get my lawyer.


Please someone explain this logically as it astounds all common sense and intellect.


People like you give me little hope for humanity. Sell the car, we are all better off that way! Try a buss pass! Just don't get your lawyer when its 5 minutes late!

detectiveorange

it's because it's so unfortunate. Grabbing a lawyer is a way of grasping at straws. I'm pretty sure the OP KNOWS that it's justified that he doesn't get any coverage but he REALLY wants his car. Ya, it's dumb. But I'm pretty sure we've all been there once and I can kinda understand the "no no no no no, god no. please no no no no" mindset he has right now =/

Carbon8

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The growing mentality of sue whoever they hell you can is whats seriously wrong with this generation.

**** happens, no need to parade around trying to be portrayed as a victim so you can gain fortune from a situation that may or may not effect more than yourself.

detectiveorange

yaaaa, I agree. But who knows, OP might just realize that getting a lawyer(s) to actually win a case against mazda is a lot harder than anticipated lol

Carbon8

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The legal fees and months to years are worth a 3K rebuild, knock yourself out.

My recommendation still stands.

9krpmrx8

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A lawyer won't touch this case with a 10 foot pole. And if he were to find one dumb enough to, he will probably be an unqualified hack who will charge him up front. Paying a lawyer to sue on a hopeless case when you are unemployed is not very smart.

Cut your losses and move on. Go buy a $5,000.00 Civic or Corolla and drive it until you get your life in order.

keen0arene

Carbon, as a guy who was born in Buffalo and lived there for 28 years of my life, I understand where you're coming from: that legal shenanigans are going crazy in this country. Unfortunately, so is corruption and a "quick buck" in the corporate world. I learned that after moving here to LA. I've had the engine replaced 1st at 800 miles, and replaced again 3 years ago. I'm legitimate in my frustration.
I stuck it out with Mazda, through 7 times being towed to a dealership (would have been 9 if I hadnt learned how to clear the floods manually and build my own battery charger.) That would have made it legally a lemon, if I was wise to legalities years ago.

Because I was ignorant then, doesnt mean I'm a bad guy for being frustrated at Mazda for not really being thorough with repairing the car.

I came here to ask for help and get the best advice possible, not to be personally attacked.

For 3k I would flip and dance in the streets to get my engine replaced. (Maybe not flip, I can't flip.) Dealers are telling me $7k, plus $2k for radiator.

I might just end up doing it myself...

I'm open to a bus pass.

But appealing to an op to try to delete this thread is unhealthy behavior. I asked legitimate questions and I'm sure someone else down the road would find this information valuable.

detectiveorange

LOL 7k???? **** that!!! Take it somewhere that rebuilds rotaries. I'm sure you can get it cheaper than that. Idk guys, you can right?? 7k sounds absurd....

Carbon8

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Rant aside, you are right 7k is astronomical. And as we stated previously their is doubtably nothing wrong with you cooling system.

Coolant seal failure, rebuild should be 3-4k. 5K max if everything is trashed.

RIWWP

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Radiator is $150 from Mazmart, if that gives you a hint at their markup.

keen0arene

neptune maz is telling me 5900 max (engine, plugs, coils, wires, radiator and reservoir).

Mazda dealer, after talking over with service mgr, is 6500 ish. (less 240 for the compression test and the diagnostic).

If I got a darned hoist, it costs $249 for 4 weeks. A reman engine costs, $2k?
radiator and coils wires and plugs probably cost 800ish. But no warranty.

I'd like to think I'm good at being mechanical... but for a machine that uses controlled explosions, I'm a lil' scared.

thoughts?

keen0arene

mazmart:
RX8 Engine Kit (04-05 AT) sku 17179 $3,850.00
RX8 Coolant Tank (2004-11) (With sensor without cap) sku 16651 $109.00
RX8 Radiator Hose Kit (04-08) (Coolant Hose - Radiator to Reservoir Bottle) $14.50
RX8 Radiator - 2004-08 (RX8 Koyo 04-08, AT) $170.00
RX8 Ignition (RX8 OEM Ignition Coils (All years)) sku 11440 $240.00

4383.50+249
=$4632.50 (unless returning old core knocks off $1000)

RIWWP

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That price is correct if you pull your engine yourself and ship the dead one to Mazmart. If you don't send them your blown engine, then add the $1,000 core charge. The core charge is refundable if you send them your dead one later (within a reasonable time-frame). You would be saving $1,300 in labor over neptune, and nearly $2k over the dealer, and getting quite a few improvements along the way.

Dealer reman list price increased in September from $2,001 to $3,300 and change, so the only way you are going to get cheaper would be through a budget engine rebuild. But to be honest, I wouldn't even pursue that since coolant seal failures usually mean there is very little that can be salvaged, if anything at all (making it not a budget rebuild at all).

I'd go for that list if I was in your shoes, only I'd also add the main radiator coolant hoses too (that one is just for the little one between the bottle and radiator, since it usually breaks the radiator before it comes free) You might need to contact paul@mazmart.com to get the pricing on those, but it should be under $150ish total.

keen0arene

so it's 3500 ish + 1000 deposit?

what improvements would I have over a base reman?

do I have to reprogram the computers? is that easy?

RIWWP

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Yes, core charge is additional up front, to be refunded when they get your old engine. However, I expect that if you discuss it with them ahead of time, you can send them your old engine first to avoid having to pay that up front.

You will get the additional Remedy upgrades already installed, and I'd be far more confident buying a reman from Mazmart than from a dealer. There are quite a few DOA stories of people that paid out of pocket for a dealer reman. Mazmart's are dealer remans as well, but Paul is a great vendor, and I've never known him to leave a customer high and dry.

The only "Reprogramming" you have to do is the 20-brake-pedal-stomp reset to reset the e-shaft profile and NVRAM so the ECU can learn the new engine. Takes a few seconds, no tools needed except your car key.

keen0arene

ok so its roughly $4586+shipping+oil and filter
-$1000 core refund
-shipping for core to mazmart.


sounds like a better deal. I have a friend who just "inherited a car" who wants to replace its tranny. Free hoist.

interesting, is there anything I can screw up easily? (assuming I dont drop the engine)

And would that be EVERYTHING I'd need for the engine?

Thanks for your help so far!

oh and what upgrades are you referring to?

RIWWP

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Yeah, there are a few things. Injector connections often get crossed (it's not obvious which goes to which), the primary fuel line connector is a 1-time use, so the fuel line should be replaced or you could easily lose your car to a fire when the fuel line pops off while the engine is running (happened a few dozen times on here, typically within a few miles of engine replacements)

There may be another few, like the first crank after filling it with oil can cause damage if not properly primed i think. You could probably figure out the problems people have by doing some google searches about it on here (site:Rx8club.com DIY engine replacement)

Check Mazmart's site for the list of what you get with the engine, it's in the description.

ShellDude

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did we just swing from sue a dealer to rebuild my own engine with zero experience?

keen0arene

no, we didnt swing anywhere. I'm just exploring options. Mazda warranty is closed and has been for the last week due to the holidays. I hope they're open tomorrow.

If I get the warranty fix, I'm still going to pay a bunch for other repairs, and if I dont, I want to know if I can do this at the most low cost level. RIWWP is implying I'll get a better operating engine system with the RE-MEDY rather than the 2 junk engines mazda has already replaced my original junk engine with. This is very appealing.

I was never going to sue a dealer, but my car WAS eligible for lemon laws in california years ago, though I didnt know that it was, sadly. (Currently it may not be anymore.) I was planning on doing everything in my power to get a fair deal. 7 times towed to a dealership for engine flooding, even with a warm engine shutdown is unacceptable.

Anyway, any constructive ideas on what else I might need to add in so if I decide to purch parts, that I buy all of them? I have the codes the dealer got from the computer. Is it possible I might need a new catalytic converter?

yellow FE

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I was just skimming this thread, sucks. At the OP, it looks like you are in LA? You should follow up with one of the Lemon Law lawyers in your area, to see if you are still within the statute of limitations so you can still file a claim against the manufacture.

Anyways good luck.
I had to install a new motor a few years back and it sucked but at least the motor was cheaper then.

Carbon8

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Lemon law only applies for the same problem, a dealer has 3 times to solve the issue if they fail to solve it after that you can invoke this law. Does not apply for 3 different problems.

yellow FE

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^ I believe it's actually a broader statute then that. It has several subsections to kick the car into the statute. I think he should get a free consult, it doesn' hurt. If the issue has merit most attorneys will take it on for free and get paid from the damages and attorney fees requested from the attorney.