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Old 06-12-2011, 11:10 PM
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KDR or Speed 1??

Hey have any of you guys gotten work done at KDR or the name changed to speed 1 now I think?
I'm not bashing or putting the shop down but alot of guys on rx7club have said some not so great things about the place so just curious if anyone on here could shed some light on it? I emailed dave he answered back right away he knew his stuff so I dont get why the negative things (mostly people said their cars were tuned very poorly after being ported and alot of parts ended up breaking shortly after getting their car back which they said took months.)

Anyone know anything?
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daves a good guy he will take care of you. what are you looking to get done?

ive been going to dave for years and havent had any problems beside him being super busy... hes building my motor as we speak...
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Originally Posted by LiL BenNy
daves a good guy he will take care of you. what are you looking to get done?

ive been going to dave for years and havent had any problems beside him being super busy... hes building my motor as we speak...
Damn fast reply and i wasnt doubting he was i just didnt get where all the negative threads came from. i talked to him about getting the rotor housings milled, new lightweight rotors, 3mm ceramic seals, and agressive street port.

alright well that makes it seem alot better if youve been going for awhile and he takes car of your car
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I'm an IRP guy but I've been to Dave's and I'm doing an LS2 conversion there with my second rx7. Definitely a nice guy and cheap to boot. If I didn't have IRP I'd go to Speed1. Those are the only 2 shops I would ever consider.

I've heard some bad stuff but the guy definitely has a big base of loyal customers so you'll have to make your own judgement call. You don't get that many repeat customers unless you're doing something right. Check out the TNC thread. There is a guy there getting his Rx8 back from Speed1 and of course, there is da bubbles!

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I'm an IRP guy but I've been to Dave's and I'm doing an LS2 conversion there. Definitely a nice guy and cheap to boot. If I didn't have IRP I'd go to Speed1. Those are the only 2 shops I would ever consider.

I've heard some bad stuff but the guy definitely has a big base of loyal customers so you'll have to make your own judgement call. You don't get that many repeat customers unless you're doing something right. Check out the TNC thread. There is a guy there getting his Rx8 back from Speed1 and of course, there is da bubbles!
Oh huh where is IRP at? Yeah his prices actually werent bad at all and he was nothing but polite about everything when I called. Yeah theres also rotary extremes up in quebec owner their does some crazy work.

See you heard some bad stuff too but your right tons of people recommended me to go there but thanks for at least being an honest person. Your right i think i will give dave a shot he told me honestly hes barely done many rx8's mostly the better 13b's outta the 7.
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Oh huh where is IRP at? Yeah his prices actually werent bad at all and he was nothing but polite about everything when I called. Yeah theres also rotary extremes up in quebec owner their does some crazy work.

See you heard some bad stuff too but your right tons of people recommended me to go there but thanks for at least being an honest person. Your right i think i will give dave a shot he told me honestly hes barely done many rx8's mostly the better 13b's outta the 7.
IRP is in metuchen. i think they do one of the best rebuilds but honestly, i dont think id go there for an 8.. they are heavily an fd crowd base. not many shops i know of work on 8's besides dave at kdr and jim at jpr (south jersey). jim did my greddy turbo install back in 2007. dave did all my motor swaps in 2007-2008 lol long story.

jim owns an 8 which has nitrous and last time i spoke with him working on a turbo kit for the 8. dave on the other hand has a few 8's at the shop. everytime im there i see atleast one heavily modified 8.

as for the bad feedback. i think it all comes from the engine building and that is just bad mouthing. IMO people bad mouth their builds because dave reuses parts if theyre in spec (if thats what the customer wants) on the other hand other shops strictly use all brand new parts. hense the price tag that comes along with it. if shop X and kdr are given the absolute same parts, i have no doubt daves engine will be equal if not better then shop x. its just that most people CHOOSE to reuse certain parts. and even he has told me it sucks because parts for the engine cost more these days and with the economy, a lot of customers want budget builds. if thats what the customer wants thats what he has to do right? not everyone can dish out 5000 for a rebuilt engine.

also pm stevenhalim or halimsteven... hes in the tues night meet thread. he has one of the most modifed 8's i know. and hes been going to kdr for years as well. he just went through a whole headache with seals and rotors and yada yada and could tell you more about that. but through it all, from what i know, dave has taken care of all the issues free of charge that were either his fault or per his recommendation. Dave is one of the only guys i dont have to wrory about getting ripped off from.

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IRP is in metuchen. i think they do one of the best rebuilds but honestly, i dont think id go there for an 8.. they are heavily an fd crowd base. not many shops i know of work on 8's besides dave at kdr and jim at jpr (south jersey). jim did my greddy turbo install back in 2007. dave did all my motor swaps in 2007-2008 lol long story.

jim owns an 8 which has nitrous and last time i spoke with him working on a turbo kit for the 8. dave on the other hand has a few 8's at the shop. everytime im there i see atleast one heavily modified 8.

as for the bad feedback. i think it all comes from the engine building and that is just bad mouthing. IMO people bad mouth their builds because dave reuses parts if theyre in spec (if thats what the customer wants) on the other hand other shops strictly use all brand new parts. hense the price tag that comes along with it. if shop X and kdr are given the absolute same parts, i have no doubt daves engine will be equal if not better then shop x. its just that most people CHOOSE to reuse certain parts. and even he has told me it sucks because parts for the engine cost more these days and with the economy, a lot of customers want budget builds. if thats what the customer wants thats what he has to do right? not everyone can dish out 5000 for a rebuilt engine.

also pm stevenhalim or halimsteven... hes in the tues night meet thread. he has one of the most modifed 8's i know. and hes been going to kdr for years as well. he just went through a whole headache with seals and rotors and yada yada and could tell you more about that. but through it all, from what i know, dave has taken care of all the issues free of charge that were either his fault or per his recommendation. Dave is one of the only guys i dont have to wrory about getting ripped off from.

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Oh wow i didnt even know that many rotary shops existed let alone two right in NJ damn. Yeah checked out the IPR shops website it seems like mostly rx7 based so your right it sucks though cause other than dave no one else has worked on or wants to build up an 8 motor. You think jim at JPR could do all the things i listed for a descent price otherwise i'm just going with speed 1?

huh really i honestly have seen one maybe 2 heavily modded 8's ever most people never bother or dont even know enough about them to get the work done. what was done to the ones at daves shop by any chance do you know?

yeah honestly your 100% right he asked me though and was honest right from the start he said if my parts were still ok he could build all of it for not that much but it was completely up to me otherwise he was more than willing to get everything new. its very true people bad mouth cause they chose to reuse parts and go for a cheaper build so sometimes it doesnt work out couldnt agree more. he is just doing his job and exactly i mean if it comes down to it idc ill spend the 5k to get it done right but id rather save money if i can.

alright i will send him a PM and see what he has done is his the bridgeported one cause otherwise i honestly have never seen any rx8's with heavy porting work or anything.

Anyway thanks alot man for all the info and taking time out to help
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Oh wow i didnt even know that many rotary shops existed let alone two right in NJ damn. Yeah checked out the IPR shops website it seems like mostly rx7 based so your right it sucks though cause other than dave no one else has worked on or wants to build up an 8 motor. You think jim at JPR could do all the things i listed for a descent price otherwise i'm just going with speed 1?

huh really i honestly have seen one maybe 2 heavily modded 8's ever most people never bother or dont even know enough about them to get the work done. what was done to the ones at daves shop by any chance do you know?

yeah honestly your 100% right he asked me though and was honest right from the start he said if my parts were still ok he could build all of it for not that much but it was completely up to me otherwise he was more than willing to get everything new. its very true people bad mouth cause they chose to reuse parts and go for a cheaper build so sometimes it doesnt work out couldnt agree more. he is just doing his job and exactly i mean if it comes down to it idc ill spend the 5k to get it done right but id rather save money if i can.

alright i will send him a PM and see what he has done is his the bridgeported one cause otherwise i honestly have never seen any rx8's with heavy porting work or anything.

Anyway thanks alot man for all the info and taking time out to help
yeah there is a white one that i believe was turbod and blew up and switched to a 13b? a black one with some crazy turbo. i forgot the guy who made it... then another guy from pa, forgot his name i believe hes turbod roll cage etc etc i think hes in military/army/marine

then bangkok which is halimsteven on the forums which is boosted.

for 8's id recomend dave over anyone else.. i dont know any other shop thats really dove into modding the 8 like dave has...
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KDR is now Speed1 after Dave moved into his new garage.
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Originally Posted by LiL BenNy
IRP is in metuchen. i think they do one of the best rebuilds but honestly, i dont think id go there for an 8..
Very good point. Come to think of it, I think they will probably turn away the work.

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as for the bad feedback. i think it all comes from the engine building and that is just bad mouthing. IMO people bad mouth their builds because dave reuses parts if theyre in spec (if thats what the customer wants) on the other hand other shops strictly use all brand new parts. hense the price tag that comes along with it. if shop X and kdr are given the absolute same parts, i have no doubt daves engine will be equal if not better then shop x. its just that most people CHOOSE to reuse certain parts. and even he has told me it sucks because parts for the engine cost more these days and with the economy, a lot of customers want budget builds. if thats what the customer wants thats what he has to do right? not everyone can dish out 5000 for a rebuilt engine.
This is a very good point. Dave is actually taking a huge risk since he will probably warranty with the new parts. If I owned a shop, I'd tell the customer to take a walk if they wanted to reuse parts I deem unworthy.

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KDR is now Speed1 after Dave moved into his new garage.
yes i know. and we all know "speed 1" is lame. i refuse to call it that. Dave will always be KDR im heart!!!!! Kim Dave Rotary for life!!
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Cant say much about his worksmanship yet but i can say he seems like a real nice guy, very knowledgable and very fair priced. My fathers FD is currently at Speed 1 getting some new turbos and Power FC tuning among some other goodies. He will be installing my ACT and Prolite flywheel on my Rx8 next week. Gave me a great price. He comes very well recommended so im sure my 8 and my fathers 7 will come out great.
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i read this thread, and i just read everything...

do you have RX8 or RX7?

i am the persont hat benny told you about. yeah, i have a modified RX8. whatever you can put in RX8, i have in my car. from body wise to the engine.

i have low mount turbo before, and now i move it to the TOP mount, and using T67 turbo.
as me and dave, we talked about engine work and the seals.

he will not use stock seals for my car because he knows that it will fail again for sure.
we have been through 3 seals, and this is the third one....he finally get into the 7 seals into my car, which is from RX7specialist...now, i am using RX7 specialist seals...other seals, we tried, we didn't like them...as our experience, they fail....but, please, what i said is in our experiences...it might be different in your situation..so i am not saying that the seals that we had were bad....it's an individual opinion. if you wanna learn from our mistakes, do it, otherwise you can try it. it might work for you.

as engine work. he believed that the bridge port is not going to gain that much from renesis, and it will not be convinience for some people, so i decided to keep it street port. just enlarge some ports and clean them and other things too. i think eh modified the coolant lines too...but he knows what he is doing...
remember, it's what he believes from bridgepport that the renesis will not produce much power.

on the other hadn, if you see a thread in major horse power, BDC built a bridgeport engine, and it produced more than 220whp...it's all no turbo, just bridgeport and little tune...you can send your engine and ask BDX to build....now, it's just happening to one car only. everybody will have different experience and result.

as you know, if you see all the inside of the renesis, when they do the bridgeport, everything is at the edge. dave told me that it will fail one day because it has little room left. when the heat happens, it will be destroyed again, so he recommended to have streetport for renesis.

at the end, it's you decision to make which direction you wanna go.
dave is close and convinient, but someitmes it will take a along time. trust me, it's worth it...you just have to get him in the right time...you have to have all your stuff first and go to him so he jus can install them.

BDC, you can send your engine, and he will do the work, and you get the engine back. cost and everything, i believe that it will be the same....

it's all your decision...you can email me more questions if you have some

steven

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Originally Posted by LiL BenNy
yeah there is a white one that i believe was turbod and blew up and switched to a 13b? a black one with some crazy turbo. i forgot the guy who made it... then another guy from pa, forgot his name i believe hes turbod roll cage etc etc i think hes in military/army/marine

then bangkok which is halimsteven on the forums which is boosted.

for 8's id recomend dave over anyone else.. i dont know any other shop thats really dove into modding the 8 like dave has...
hmm so there are a few modded 8's out there i've seen many turbo ones but for the route i'm going i'm staying N/A no turbo for me. Yeah halimsteve answered back and gave alot of helpful info.

thanks alot dude i think its settled i'm going to use dave for my car...
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Very good point. Come to think of it, I think they will probably turn away the work.



This is a very good point. Dave is actually taking a huge risk since he will probably warranty with the new parts. If I owned a shop, I'd tell the customer to take a walk if they wanted to reuse parts I deem unworthy.



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You would be correct they didnt turn it down but they prefer not to work on the rx8's. Yeah he is taking a huge risk but its the customers choice at the end of the day they reuse crap parts oh well not dave's stupidity.

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yes i know. and we all know "speed 1" is lame. i refuse to call it that. Dave will always be KDR im heart!!!!! Kim Dave Rotary for life!!
Haha for real i still call itd KDR anyway!

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i read this thread, and i just read everything...

do you have RX8 or RX7?

i am the persont hat benny told you about. yeah, i have a modified RX8. whatever you can put in RX8, i have in my car. from body wise to the engine.

i have low mount turbo before, and now i move it to the TOP mount, and using T67 turbo.
as me and dave, we talked about engine work and the seals.

he will not use stock seals for my car because he knows that it will fail again for sure.
we have been through 3 seals, and this is the third one....he finally get into the 7 seals into my car, which is from RX7specialist...now, i am using RX7 specialist seals...other seals, we tried, we didn't like them...as our experience, they fail....but, please, what i said is in our experiences...it might be different in your situation..so i am not saying that the seals that we had were bad....it's an individual opinion. if you wanna learn from our mistakes, do it, otherwise you can try it. it might work for you.

as engine work. he believed that the bridge port is not going to gain that much from renesis, and it will not be convinience for some people, so i decided to keep it street port. just enlarge some ports and clean them and other things too. i think eh modified the coolant lines too...but he knows what he is doing...
remember, it's what he believes from bridgepport that the renesis will not produce much power.

on the other hadn, if you see a thread in major horse power, BDC built a bridgeport engine, and it produced more than 220whp...it's all no turbo, just bridgeport and little tune...you can send your engine and ask BDX to build....now, it's just happening to one car only. everybody will have different experience and result.

as you know, if you see all the inside of the renesis, when they do the bridgeport, everything is at the edge. dave told me that it will fail one day because it has little room left. when the heat happens, it will be destroyed again, so he recommended to have streetport for renesis.

at the end, it's you decision to make which direction you wanna go.
dave is close and convinient, but someitmes it will take a along time. trust me, it's worth it...you just have to get him in the right time...you have to have all your stuff first and go to him so he jus can install them.

BDC, you can send your engine, and he will do the work, and you get the engine back. cost and everything, i believe that it will be the same....

it's all your decision...you can email me more questions if you have some

steven
Damn alot of useful info but yes i have an rx8 not a 7

yeah benny told me you know your rx8 stuff and have a well modded one and i have alot myself but i doubt as much as yours

oh wow but see your pushing alot of power with the turbo and your right i may not have the seal issues you did cause every car is different. however i'm not going the turbo route at all i plan to run N/A just want the reliability and sound of the built motor more so then speed. I was going to go with the 3mm cermamic seals and dave told me those would be more than enough for a agressive port and non turbo application on the renesis.

exactly what he said in the email to me bridgeporting was pretty much a waste on the renesis and to stick with a street port. i'm pretty much doing exactly that agressive street port, milled housing, 3mm seals and just cleaning it up and doing the coolant lines.

wow thats nuts 220whp on a non turbo too but like i said i'm not going for power rx8's arent rockets and i'm fine with that haha. but thanks for mentioning BDC and the whole bridgeporting information. dave told me it would eventually ruin my engine as well so i guess its the same in the 7's too?

honestly appreciate all the help man and you taking time out to type that all up. it is my decision but like i stated above thats the route i'm going so dave sounds like the best choice. idc too much about time cause i planned to drop it off over winter when i dont use the car anyway. so from what you said i should try to get the seals and other parts before hand to speed things up?
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Whenever you work with any shop, have the plan down and make sure you have the parts. No shop should have to wait for parts. Putting your car on hold to wait for parts has a huge penalty besides the actual wait for the parts. If your car gets put on hold and the mechanic works on another car, he may want to get the other project to a certain point before he goes back to your car. Make sure this never happens. The penalty here though is flexibility. Once you buy the parts, you can't change your mind and when the unknown creeps up, you may find that you spent more than you needed. I think it's worth buying as much as you can before the project begins.

Have you really examined all the other options you have availible to you (ways to make power)? What else have you looked into? A forced induction Renesis is great but make sure you know about the known and unknown costs before you proceed. Compare this number with the other options you have like doing a swap or something. I was in a similar predictament with my second rx7. I was just going to single turbo it after the coolant seals failed but when I weighed the costs and what I need the car to be, it actually turned out to be cheaper to do an LS2 conversion instead. I was shocked. The money I made from the long block and the cheap price of labor due to great conversion kits and the motor itself was about 3k lower than I thought it would be. Make sure you use Steve as a resource as well. He's a smart dude. Shieeeeeet.

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Whenever you work with any shop, have the plan down and make sure you have the parts. No shop should have to wait for parts. Putting your car on hold to wait for parts has a huge penalty besides the actual wait for the parts. If your car gets put on hold and the mechanic works on another car, he may want to get the other project to a certain point before he goes back to your car. Make sure this never happens. The penalty here though is flexibility. Once you buy the parts, you can't change your mind and when the unknown creeps up, you may find that you spent more than you needed. I think it's worth buying as much as you can before the project begins.

Have you really examined all the other options you have availible to you (ways to make power)? What else have you looked into? A forced induction Renesis is great but make sure you know about the known and unknown costs before you proceed. Compare this number with the other options you have like doing a swap or something. I was in a similar predictament with my second rx7. I was just going to single turbo it after the coolant seals failed but when I weighed the costs and what I need the car to be, it actually turned out to be cheaper to do an LS2 conversion instead. I was shocked. The money I made from the long block and the cheap price of labor due to great conversion kits and the motor itself was about 3k lower than I thought it would be. Make sure you use Steve as a resource as well. He's a smart dude. Shieeeeeet.
Yeah your right that is a dick move i guess dropping the car off and just expecting them to get all the parts and do it quickly. I wasnt going to do that at all i just didnt know exactly which stuff i would get before hand. Alright well i will talk to steve i guess and ask him exactly what to get cause i found some descent deals online for some of the stuff so far.

Mhm i did examine all my options for power but as i said in my above posts i'm not building my motor up for speed or going turbo simply for the reliability and sound of a built motor nothing more. Its an rx8 its not meant to be fast haha. I dont wanna turbo also cause its always a headache look how many problems you had and other members had just not worth it to me. Idk i could never ls swap a rotary car its just like raping the rotary name haha but hey man thanks for the help again.
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Yeah your right that is a dick move i guess dropping the car off and just expecting them to get all the parts and do it quickly.
Nah I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that it would be best to get everything ready. I just wanted to make sure you know what could happen.

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Mhm i did examine all my options for power but as i said in my above posts i'm not building my motor up for speed or going turbo simply for the reliability and sound of a built motor nothing more. Its an rx8 its not meant to be fast haha.
Ahh yeah I see that now. I missed that. Smart man. Besides, you'll have plenty of time to do it later on anyway.

GL man
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Nah I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that it would be best to get everything ready. I just wanted to make sure you know what could happen.



Ahh yeah I see that now. I missed that. Smart man. Besides, you'll have plenty of time to do it later on anyway.

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Haha i never said you did i meant it is a dick move dave is swamped already why make his life more hectic when you could do some of the work yourself right? Thanks man i think everybody gave me tons of info to work with.

Dont worry simple mistake but exactly if i end up later on itll be a lot easier.

Thanks off topic but your rx7 looks insane
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13b-rew swap to an rx-8

I want to contact this guy Dave at speed1 as I want to do an engine swap on my car, does anyone knows if he has a new website?
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