mazsportmantis

The difference between the Type 1 and Type 3 turbo kit is the placement of the turbo. Type 1 is deeper and keeps balance a priority and hides the turbo, a great choice for a person interested in autocross or motorsports. Type 3 has a high mounted turbo which I personally like a lot. This is probably the kit for me. This kit looks very aggressive and burly....

Check the Type 1 pics of the intercooler and imagine the kit up top. It is more expensive because of the charge tubes....

neffjohn

How about we set up a payment plan !

$1 a day for the next 8000 days

flyboi1121

i'm in on this

i'll even do $2 for 4000 days

flyboi1121

haha no doubt. dont' get me wrong... i'm all for the rx8 and honestly, i'm not a fan of 350z's... just not my type of car but i do acknowledge how insane they can get with aps twin turbo...

all i'm saying is, a 350z with twin turbo from aps has put down 800-900 whp well tuned. even out of the box, i believe they make 450-500 whp.

i'm a huge supporter of scott and what he's come up with is awesome. so awesome that he even gave us options of what type of awesome kit we can get... but i also know that our engines are unlikely to handle 800+ whp...

maybe one day, but not right now right? unless you get the 3 rotor swap.

basically... i'm saying a well tuned 350z with twin turbo aps turbo will walk on any rx8 turbo'd without an engine swap and blowing his engine mid run.

not looking to make any enemies or knock on the rx8 and most of all, all the brilliant people helping the rx8 community like scott. just saying.. 350z's are no joke with that turbo

at least our cars will always look better... imo at least lol

lastly, in my defense, i can most certainly be wrong and i'm open minded... somone (*cough* scott) please prove me wrong and get a streetable rx8 with 900 whp lol

toxin440

in all honesty - how often are you going to come across a 500HP (much less a 900HP) 350Z in your day/week/month?

With scotts kit and say, 350HP at the wheels you are pretty much guarenteed to blow any of the "kids" with Mustang GTs, riced out civics and will finally demand 2nd looks and be taken seriously by 350Zs, G35c's etc etc.

If I ever encountered someone that blew my future Type I Mazsport turbo outta the water I'd love to chat with them and talk shop on turbo's and stuff and maybe even make a friend. With 350 at the wheels I'd say you are in the top 1% of cars you would meet on the road in everyday life, and I wouldnt ask for anything more.

mike1324a

I only know one person with a turbo z and he is only running 310 to te wheels. So in all reality there arnt many zs with turbos or superchargers, most of them have less then 450whp, even less up to 600whp and very little have 800whp+. Honestly this is hopefully a stepping stone to even more power. A stock engine z cant handle 500whp and my guess is the renesis cant either

MadDog

Yeah, the 350z engine is WEAK. Their bottom end can hardly handle FI at all. There's no way you just bolt on a turbo kit and get 500HP out of a z car. There would have to be MAJOR engine mods. Two supercharged z's around here each put down less than 350HP.

Also, you can smoke GT's, stock 350z's, riced-out civics, EVO's, STi's and G35's with less than 300whp. With 350HP you are entering a whole different league.

mike1324a

Stock for stock engine you arnt going to get that much more power out of the Z without engine work then you could wth a renesis at this point. No one knows what kind of power will come out of these new turbo kits with renesis engine work. Porting and polishing(as much as can be done anyway) thicker seals and so on, we may be looking at a lot more then 400whp. No one knows untile we get there. Just 2 weeks a go everyone was thinking the renesis was maxed already and look at it now, raised the bar to 400whp and my guess is this wont be the last time its raised. But again I know a supercharged and a turbo z both making less then 350whp, i know guy(and a gal) with modded evos not going over 350whp, 2 s2000s with about 300whp a few wrxs all under 300whp. This kit will have no problem fixing their little red wagons and like maddog said over 350 is a whole different league. I am in a big town outside of atlanta so im not talking about rural nowhereville and with the exception of a few cobras and a custom 700hp trans am i dont know many cars over 400whp. This kit will definetly put you right in the middle of the action and be able to even play and not got raped

flyboi1121

no, you're all right.

you won't meet a 500+ whp 350z everyday, and yes, there are lots of internal work done in those z's with that much power.

but going back to the original reason for me posting this...

the guy said his friend has a twin turbo aps... so his friend is one of the select few 350z owners who has that kit and has the potential of some sick gains.

now, i don't know how much his friend with the aps turbo is running, but from what i know and read, aps twin turbo right out of the box does about 500 whp. so i'm just saying, he probably won't stand a chance against the 350z IF what i read is true. don't get me wrong, like i said before, i can be wrong. maybe toxin was right and they only do high 300's low 400 whp. but my friend and i read the 350z forums and they seem to pump out more power than 400.

now if he does get scott's turbo, of course he'll blow by other "ricers" and the 4wdr monsters like evos and stis, and most 350z's but all i'm saying is... that one friend he has with the twin turbo aps... unlikely... unless his friend has no idea what he's doing and detuned his car and can't drive worth a crap.

haha dont get me wrong guys, i'm saving up for scott's turbo too!

mike1324a

There is always a more powerful car. But ive read the zforums too and yes the average for no internal work is 380-450whp, you are right. This is the kit to have now and it is expensive but it will put you right with the average turbo/sc Zs with no internal work just like the renesis has no internal work with these number. It will get you close enough that it is a drivers race as to whos faster, if your good enough you should be able to hang with most all Zs, evos, wrxs, GTs, Gs and so on. Im not arguing and you pretty much right. This is pretty exciting ant it levels the playing field to finally be able to play with modded cars that it tries to compete with and not be stomped all over. Its about time we got some go to go with the looks.

flyboi1121

"Its about time we got some go to go with the looks."

haha yea no doubt.

as of right now, 350's, s2ks, s4s, and etc, i already hang with them or creep past them unless they are heavily modded or turbo'd.

i recently raced with a stock sti, he beat me by 1 car length =P not bad considering our car is na and lacks the torque.

but anyways... i wonder... if scott would include a DIY install for the turbo... i'd be sweet to spend some time to work on the car and save some money

mike1324a

Actually he is from what hes said before. I likes when people get their hands dirty, they appreciate the stuff more and learn some stuff in the process. So long as it has good instruction (more pictures the better) it sounds good to me too. Im curious how hard it will be to get off the stock header. When i tried my hardest fo get my stock cat off myself but i had to take it to a shop who tried a while and actually ended up haing to cut one of the bolts cuz it had more or less welded itself from the heat. other then that, i think it shouldnt be too hard.

flyboi1121

i don't know if i missed it but.. is there a picture of the type 3 kit yet? i saw type 1 and 2 so far...

Fanman

HKS & Stillen found at around 375-400 whp you will pop the Z motors. So they introduced solutions that put out in the 325-340 whp range. A lot of work needs to done for 500 whp. Some have done it, but we are not talking about a simple twin turbo setup here. Lot's (like 10K+) & lots of motorwork here. I personally have seen two blown VQ motors (including one where the piston went through the engine into pieces). I'm sure if you bought this kit, and built up the Renesis to that spec, you could get quite a bit more hp. Butt he question is at those hp levels (400 whp+) it's basically uncontrollable for any kind of track work. And if all you want is a drag car, I can certainly think of more desirable platforms that a 350Z or RX8.

Renesis_8

I would like to know how much hp the renesis can handle. The good thing I love about the renesis is that its probably more durable than the 13b-rew. Bascailly all the rotaries can be turbocharged without any internal work... I think the renesis stock for stock can certainly surpass the VQ engine hp wise. 325whp Zs wont last very long as the motor will pop at 375whp. so its very near its limit.

RealityRx8

From what I have read on z forums...

Both the HKS TT and the APS TT will not put out 400+whp without serious work to the bottom end. The VQ35DE needs well over 10+k in engine work to achieve big numbers with any sort of reliability. I believe GTM just came out with a sick 4.2L stroker kit for the VQ but its 10+k without EMS and not including install.

If you add that up you could probably purchase a GTR.....

RRx8

mike1324a

So mantis, did anyone get any picture of the type 3 yet?

rotaryWizard

i wonder how much this kit put out on quarter mile. Hopefully around 11 second area.

slavearm

1/4 mile time has as much to do with tire/suspension/driver as it does with HP... most tracks out here in my area aren't doing any more open runs until next year I think... meh.

mazsportmantis

The Type 3 Turbo Kit is on one of our RX8s at the shop. We are swamped right now trying to catch up from the trip to California.

I believe that we will be dynoing the Type 2 and Type 3 shortly for you guys. I know we are all anxious to see the results.....

Maybe I can sneak over to the Research and Development site and get some sneak pictures.....

slavearm

Just make sure you aren't followed. Heaven forbid someone should find the location of Scott's Underground bunker.

Red_X8

So THATS where all the weapons of mass destruction are hidden....

mike1324a

Id say these turbo kits would be considered weapons of mass destruction!

evilmiata

Holy Crap. Mantis! I TOLD YOU! Weapons of mass destruction!

Mantis asked me about banner ideas and I sent these to her over a month ago!

shaunv74

bwahhahaha!!