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Texak 04-23-2009 09:12 AM

OK, by my count that is 8 or 9 paid... c'mon, only 2 more people!!! I want this thing soon!

TwistedRotors 04-23-2009 10:13 AM

Updated first post. We're off to a great start!!
-John

Razz1 04-23-2009 10:19 AM

Would this work on the 16x?

The chamber is different. I'm thinking it would have to be calibrated for that.

atl8 04-23-2009 10:27 AM

PayPal sent for one more!

TwistedRotors 04-23-2009 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 2984431)
Would this work on the 16x?

The chamber is different. I'm thinking it would have to be calibrated for that.

It'll work just fine, just need the exact size of one rotor face and the compression ratio. Which reminds me...I've got correction factors in the original thread, I need to copy and paste them into the GB thread! Thanks!
-John

TwistedRotors 04-23-2009 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by atl8 (Post 2984450)
PayPal sent for one more!

Received, did I do your personal message right?
-John

atl8 04-23-2009 10:36 AM

just make it all lowercase....pcoppinger...thanks


Originally Posted by TwistedRotors (Post 2984461)
Received, did I do your personal message right?
-John


TheWulf 04-23-2009 11:03 AM

If we order these now, will we be eligible for software updates when you release them (which I am sure is going to happen at some point for one reason or another)? Can we do the updates ourselves or would we have to ship the units back?

neit_jnf 04-23-2009 11:34 AM

payment sent

Texak 04-23-2009 11:39 AM

what updates? the correction factor is just a table you can use to calculate by hand...

TheWulf 04-23-2009 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Texak (Post 2984589)
what updates? the correction factor is just a table you can use to calculate by hand...

Just saying most new products have a software revision within a few months of their release. Certain use cases not considered, bug with certain engine setups, etc.

Been working in software for 10 years and I've never seen a product go out at 100%. It just doesn't happen. Nature of the beast.

onefatsurfer 04-23-2009 01:37 PM

this is pretty cool. I'm still under warranty tho

Phil's 8 04-23-2009 04:05 PM

Dam, need one more buyer so Twisted can get started.

RK 04-23-2009 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by onefatsurfer (Post 2984822)
this is pretty cool. I'm still under warranty tho

Compression tests aren't covered under warranty unless they show that your engine needs replacement.

Getting this will give you an engine compression baseline. If you test regularly you'll know if your engine is beginning to fail or not. Knowing that your engine is failing will help you know when to 'gamble' on a compression test by Mazda.

TheWulf 04-23-2009 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2985143)
Dam, need one more buyer so Twisted can get started.

I'll likely be ordering as soon as I get a reply to my PM :)

TwistedRotors 04-23-2009 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by atl8 (Post 2984468)
just make it all lowercase....pcoppinger...thanks

Done! :)

Originally Posted by TheWulf (Post 2984524)
If we order these now, will we be eligible for software updates when you release them (which I am sure is going to happen at some point for one reason or another)? Can we do the updates ourselves or would we have to ship the units back?

Without going into great detail, the firmware at it's core is very simple. Quite frankly the tester doesn't care what engine it's testing or even if it's an engine for that matter. You can see in one of my early YouTube videos I was using my air compressor and a ball valve to simulate the compression pulses of a rotary engine. The tester happily displayed the 3 separate pulses and an RPM calculated using those pulses. Now, with that said, if a defect were discovered with my firmware then the unit would be repaired under warranty.

Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2985143)
Dam, need one more buyer so Twisted can get started.

At the time of this writing I have 11 units payed for! And in my infinite wisdom I pre-ordered 10 blue LCD's this morning before heading off to work. Even payed to put them on the "fast" boat from China (which unfortunately still isn't very fast :tear: )!

Originally Posted by RK (Post 2985151)
Compression tests aren't covered under warranty unless they show that your engine needs replacement.

Getting this will give you an engine compression baseline. If you test regularly you'll know if your engine is beginning to fail or not. Knowing that your engine is failing will help you know when to 'gamble' on a compression test by Mazda.

Precisely! And getting my tester through the Group Buy costs only ~50 than 1 compression test from Mazda. Sure sounds like a great deal to me!

Thanks to everyone for getting this underway!
-John

r0tor 04-23-2009 07:59 PM

hw long will this group buy last?

carbonRX8 04-23-2009 08:27 PM

I have payed for but not received my compression tester yet. Is there some issue?



















I JOKE! I TEASE!

ASH8 04-23-2009 09:14 PM

How to Perform Compression Test - From Mazda Factory WS Manual Series II RX-8's
 
1. Remove Engine Cover.
2. Verify that Battery is fully charged.
3. Warm Up Engine.
4. Remove the Trailing or Leading Spark Plug of the front and rear rotors.
5. Disconnect Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor).

WARNING: Hot engines can cause severe Burns.

CAUTION: To cut the fuel injection and ignition, make sure the Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor) is Disconnected.

TO TEST COMPRESSIONS.

1. Install TR-01 Spark Plug Sensor to the Trailing or Leading side Spark Plug Hole Of The Rotor Housing.
2. Depress the Accelerator pedal fully and crank for 7 seconds or more.
3. Read Compressions and Engine Crank Speed (RPM).
4. Perform the same procedure for the other Rotor Housing.
5. If the compressions is at the minimum or less, or the difference in the chambers and difference in the rotors exceed the specifications, replace or overhaul engine.

SPECS RX-8 2009 Model.
Standard : 830kPA 8.5kgf-cm, 120 PSI @250RPM
Minimum : 680kPA 6.9kgf-cm, 98.6 PSI @ 250RPM
Standard Difference Between Chambers:
Within 150kPA 1.5kgf-cm, 21.8 PSI
Standard Difference in Rotors:
Within 100kPA 1.0kgf-cm, 14.5 PSI

6. Install Spark Plugs (correct heat ranges - Leading or Trailing).
7. Connect Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor).
8. Install Engine Cover.

As I do not have the Series I Factory Workshop Manual I can't verify the details are the same (I would assume they are as the internals (Seals, ETC) of the 2 RENESIS's have not changed).

wankelbolt 04-23-2009 09:19 PM

Just watched TR's videos, and a "related" one that popped up of a Japanese company using the Mazda one on a '92 FD. I'm absolutely in. Ordered.

TwistedRotors 04-23-2009 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 2985664)
1. Remove Engine Cover.
2. Verify that Battery is fully charged.
3. Warm Up Engine.
4. Remove the Trailing or Leading Spark Plug of the front and rear rotors.
5. Disconnect Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor).

WARNING: Hot engines can cause severe Burns.

CAUTION: To cut the fuel injection and ignition, make sure the Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor) is Disconnected.

TO TEST COMPRESSIONS.

1. Install TR-01 Spark Plug Sensor to the Trailing or Leading side Spark Plug Hole Of The Rotor Housing.
2. Depress the Accelerator pedal fully and crank for 7 seconds or more.
3. Read Compressions and Engine Crank Speed (RPM).
4. Perform the same procedure for the other Rotor Housing.
5. If the compressions is at the minimum or less, or the difference in the chambers and difference in the rotors exceed the specifications, replace or overhaul engine.

SPECS RX-8 2009 Model.
Standard : 830kPA 8.5kgf-cm, 120 PSI @250RPM
Minimum : 680kPA 6.9kgf-cm, 98.6 PSI @ 250RPM
Standard Difference Between Chambers:
Within 150kPA 1.5kgf-cm, 21.8 PSI
Standard Difference in Rotors:
Within 100kPA 1.0kgf-cm, 14.5 PSI

6. Install Spark Plugs (correct heat ranges - Leading or Trailing).
7. Connect Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor (Crank Sensor).
8. Install Engine Cover.

As I do not have the Series I Factory Workshop Manual I can't verify the details are the same (I would assume they are as the internals (Seals, ETC) of the 2 RENESIS's have not changed).

Thank you Ash! I've been trying to word up a step-by-step guide, but efficiently teaching someone to do something is not one of my strong suits. :-( I like your guide! Those numbers didn't click the first time you showed them but now looking at them more closely, they kind of scare me! 21.8 psi acceptable difference between chambers? My video of a 13B-REW with a chipped and cracked apex seal shows only a ~15psi difference! Sure that engine would run, but I think it'd be awfully lumpy.
-John

swoope 04-24-2009 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by carbonRX8 (Post 2985577)
I have payed for but not received my compression tester yet. Is there some issue?























I JOKE! I TEASE!

funny,

my check is in the mail, but i got mine.

the color is wrong. and the screen on boot says.

no compression for carbonrx8. FAIL!

how odd is that?

:)

beers :beer:

TwistedRotors 04-24-2009 02:12 AM

I knew I missed some posts.
Carbon and Swoope, you guys crack me up! :lol:
r0tor - I'm planning to sell them for 2 months at the GB price.
-John

ASH8 04-24-2009 02:13 AM

There is always ONE...isn't there...;)

swoope 04-24-2009 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 2986025)
There is always ONE...isn't there...;)

yes,

and thanks for covering are butt in the up over..

btw.. i almost dont think i am sorry for the little lock and load / michael / dave issue!

sorry off topic.. :)

beers :beer:


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