NEGATIVE: stickmantijuana. Stole $50.
 

I gave stickmantijuana a $50 deposit for an int-x 2 on Oct 10th, 2006, with the understanding that I'd get the int-x the following week when his car arrived in Largo. He failed to show up and so I bought my int-x elsewhere. He quit responding to PM's when I asked him about a refund. After a while I gave up on PM'ing him and choose to not pursue it any further.

In Dec 2007, I brought it up again that he still owed me the $50.

stickmantijuana claims he refunded everyone that bought stuff from him from Oct 2006, but failed to provide any evidence that he's refunded me. So I was forced to sign into paypal and take screenshots of the transaction that clearly show me sending him the $50, and a lack of a $50 refund to my account (See attached two screenshots below).


Confronted with this on 12-15-2007, stickmantijuana rambles on about misc stuff without any hint that he plans on refunding me:

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=402


He suggests that I never contacted him about a refund. I wait a while and he still doesn't issue a refund after I bought it up multiple times on the forum. 15 days later on 12-20-2007, I PM'ed stick again and told him he could just send me the $50 via paypal, and I provided him with my paypal email address.

He didn't reply.


I'm a patient guy, and it's the holidays, so I wait another 10 days before sending him another PM on 12-30-2007. I asked if he was back to ignoring me.

He didn't reply.


If you've been keeping track, I sent the down payment on Oct 10th, 2006, and here it is Jan 1st, 2008. That's a long f-ing time. Maybe I should be charging interest on the $50.


Ultimately it boils down to stickmantijuana being so petty that he would risk his reputation on the forum in order to keep $50 of my money while at the same time boasting about a 20b engine swap.

I think I've been more than fair in giving him multiple times to do the right thing before I posted this.

that stinks if the money was sent through your bank account you should contact your bank, sorry to hear about the concern...

it's been too long for the bank or paypal to really do anything. It's what happens when a good guy (mysql) is patient and ends up taking it in the pooper from a scammer.

Yeah, after this amount of time, I don't think it matters what form of payment was used, they aren't going to assist me.

wow, I'd like to believe that it's just a simple understanding that will get straightened out :dunno:

That would be a pretty long-shot belief, since the whole thing has pretty much played out in public the way the Jason said it did.

I'm PM'ing stick the url to this thread.

I don't think the delays on his 20B project, which is no cheap exercise, have anything to do with payments so I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt for now. My own experience with Stick is that he's nothing but a stand-up kind of guy.

Perhaps there is nothing more ironic about a guy complaining about how long a 20b install takes, than that very same person taking even longer than that to refund $50 :)

Whats wrong with people these days? Give him his $50 back its ridiculous.

WOW, this is pretty shitty

Umm I thought stick was a good guy.....

I agree this is shitty, but Jason, you should have filed a dispute with PayPal, um, about a year ago.

Still shitty, tho

where's stick?

I think he is going to cut down his posting on here since his 20B Swap thread got shut down

he was here for several of my PM's and definably here when I was talking to him about it in the 20b thread.

well, if you pm'ed him as much as you say he did, then I would definitely say he deserves the negative.

the mods can verify my last few messages sent to him.

maybe he dosnt have internet anymore.. ok seriously.. im new here.. i dont know any of you... but reading what i read... it sounds like he blew you off because hes so busy.... but... without reputation you wont have anything to be busy on.. and thats the problem.. once your famous for something.. you get the paparazi.. well guess everyones gonna watch stick with a magnifying glass.. sorry about the 50 bucks... thats a tank of gas damnit!!!!

He received several of my PM's about the money before he quit logging onto this site. There is no doubt he read them (If he didn't delete my PM's, the mods can check his inbox to verify). He was notified in public in the 20b swap thread several times as well. He cannot hide behind "I thought you already got the refund" excuse any longer.

yeah, that's too bad for both of you :(

Dude, if he's in Largo, let's go pay him a visit. I'll go with you.

either get your money, or $50ish worth of parts off his 8.

Yah I will help out too! I will fly down there and after we take $50 of parts I will recoup my Airline ticket in parts also its a win win situation for all of us :)


On a serious not dude you got jipped over something like $50? Psssssssh

That is absolutely rediculous, I knew there was something about that guy I didn't like. Sorry for your losses man, I hope the situation gets handled soon enough.
P.S. TeamRX8, I know we all love our friends dearly and believe they can't do wrong but wow, talk some sense into your buddy man!

Yeah, should have probably just kept hounding him about it back when it happened. Pretty crappy of him to bloody blow you off like that back then, but why bring this up again a year later?

Since when does time have anything to do with money owed? If someone owes you money it doesn't matter if it was yesterday or a year ago it is just merely the principle of the common factor of trust between forum buyers.

I respect my friends enough to let them handle their own affairs as they see fit

For the person who owes, time has plenty to do with it. If a person is dishonest enough to not pay a debt, and no one bothers them about it, they will be more likely to continue to not pay the debt. The longer they go without paying it, the less obligated they feel they are to pay it... and actually every state has a statute of limitations on debt collections, so time has indeed a lot to do with money owed.

In principle though, I totally agree with you here.

Stick signed on today.


https://www.rx8club.com/members/stickmantijuana-24855/

Last Activity: 01-24-2008 06:16 PM

Pretty pathetic on his part :icon_tdow :squint:

sent me a message asking for my number. i would assume that its so he can purchase some body panels for his wide body project.

He signed on 4 days ago:

Last Activity: 02-09-2008


Maybe he just takes a really long time to read PM's.

"Wheres my money Brain? Huh? How much that fake mustache cost, huh buddy? You got money for fake mustaches but you aint got my money?!?"

Sorry but this guy is dropping 30K on a 3 rotor and he wont refund $20? What...the...f.....

jason,

i asked you whether you want your money back, and you told me it's not about the money. i offered to pay you when i see you in person, and you didn't say a word thereafter.

you also know you've been on my ignore list ever since the whole thing with my 20b thread. perhaps you were filtered out. or not. anyway i really don't wish to argue with you.

here's the bottomline, you have my contact info. since you truly seem to hate using phone, e-mail me to my edu e-mail address. i no longer have paypal account, so i'll write you a check if you e-mail me your address.

and please take my license plate # down. and although this is none of my business, i must add if your way of resolving things are threats and blackmail, i'd highly recommend against applying to law school. and if you do end up applying for all the wrong reasons, i pray you won't get in.

I said it wasn't about the money. I can live without $50. It's a matter of principle. However I never said you could keep my money after you reneged on our deal.


How would I know you put me on ignore? I'm attaching a screenshot of the last PM you sent me. You said nothing about ignoring me, or anything at any point in time that would lead me to believe you would be ignoring me. I can post a screenshot of every message we have exchanged if you'd like.


How would I know your email address? What happened to your paypal account?


I've been waiting for you to refund me money for a year and a half. I've waited for you to respond to this thread for almost two months.

Magically you respond now that a photo of your car with license plate number is posted.

I'll remind you that you were the one physically threatening me in your 20b thread. I've never made a threat against you. Please prove otherwise.

jason,

reason for my posting here was because you replied to the thread i was posting on multimedia/picture subforum with link to this thread telling me i should read it. you just typed it like an hour ago. why do you want to give people impression that the only reason why i'm replying to this thread now is because i saw my car's photo? that's misleading.

that paypal account you sent your fund to is my dad's account. he needed money at the time, so i had everyone pay him instead of me. if you wish to be a detective again and prove me wrong on this point, go head. i wont read it and waste my time.

if they're willing, talk with betsey or christy. have them give you $50. i'll pay them $50 when i pick up the car. they know how to contact me. in fact i'll e-mail them right now.

btw, i'm done wasting my time on your little crusade, and i won't be checking back here anymore.

and please take my license photo down. thanks.

I'm calling it as I see it.

If you had me on ignore, how did you read my post in the other thread? Additionally I have PM'ed you a half dozen times asking you to read this thread and respond to this issue.


If Mazsport wants to cut me a check for $50, I'm OK with that, but it seems odd that you want them to take time away from their business to write personal checks for you.


Dude!

Don't leave yet. You have unfinished business here.

1. You didn't provide me with your .edu email address that you mentioned earlier. You can PM it to me if you'd like.

2. You did not provide evidence to support your accusation that I'm threatening or blackmailing you. Come on, if you're going to accuse me of something, back up your statements with facts. I'm dying to hear this.

3. You're basically offloading the responsibility of paying me the $50 to mazsport for some unknown reason. I'll be damned if I have to pester them about you paying me back.

How about I just create a paypal invoice, and send it to your .edu email address when you PM it to me. Then you simply pay me back in the same way that I paid you? I assume you know how to use paypal, yes?

Stick, Having dealt with you for the last 16 months, I already know the stall and delay tactics that you pull. In 2 weeks I'll post back here asking if you ever contacted Mazsport. In 4 weeks you'll reply back saying that you thought I said I didn't want you to pay me. Then repeat this process forever.

Just paypal the $50 and we can consider this a closed case. Is it that hard?

I can provide you with instructions on how to use paypal if that's the hold up.

I mean, come on. Throw me a freckin' bone!

It's funny that he's more worried about his little project rather than paying you back.. Hopefully he'll man up and work it all out with you!

heh. What the hell is with him. Is $50 a huge amount of money suddenly?

He wants me to fall for the "I mailed you a check" line. All that does is put me off for a few more weeks until I start asking questions again on why I still don't have the $50.

wow, check's in the mail racket ,love it, just pay the 50 bucks dude, you're contradicting yourself all over the place and making lame excuses as well, makes us all wonder how you're financing your 20b when you can't even swing 50 bucks and clear your name. (which is way more important than any car project in my opinion)

... he never sent me his .edu email address.

I guess Stick thought he'd waltz in here, pretend he was going to pay me, and I'd be happy for a while.


I don't want his email address or a check from mazsport. I just want $50 via paypal. That will settle this immediately without involving other parties in this issue or risking me waiting for a check in the mail that never arrives. At any rate, he's not following up with anything.

I'm getting real tired of this thread.

To keep everyone's interest, here's a picture of stick's car. I've made sure no license plates are showing.

I never said I wrote you a check. I said I'll write you a check if you give me your address.

I've given you three options:
1. If mazsport's willing, get $50 from them--I've e-mailed them about this already. I have over $1000 in credit with them from parts sales.
2. Come out when I'm in FL, and I'll give you $50 in person.
3. E-mail me your address and I'll write you a check.

You're free to do whatever you want here, but don't waste my time, and take my license plate # down.

How about you pay me my money now with paypal so we can resolve this situation? Yes, I'm willing to take the 3% paypal fee hit just so we can end this.



Also, it's pretty cool how as soon as I posted another photo of stick's car, he shows up immediately.

Lets make it clear with a motivational poster.

(Yeah, it's worth clicking. Contains curse words for the children among us)

http://img.ircimages.com/ircimages/7...a5a49c1ffa.gif

This explains it.

why do people hate that their license plate is posted on the forums?

"OH NOES THE THING EVERYONE SEES ON A DAILY BASIS ON MY CAR IS SUDDENLY ON THE INTERWEBS!!1 HOW EVER WILL I LIVE NOW??"

so... thousands of people seeing your car on a daily basis is not dangerous vs a few dozen car heads. the only reason i wouldnt post my license plate is that if i ever post something stupid mnao would not know who i am to void my warranty. but.. considering you are swapping a 20b in your car i dont think you care too much about your powertrain warranty...

It's not illegal for me to post stick's plate on the forum. His car is in a public parking lot and he has no reason to expect privacy.

I'm hiding the number right now because I'm not an asshole and I'm respecting his request even thought he continues to be a jerk about not paying me back.

heh...