Esmeril Racing - BAD GUYS!!!!!
05-05-2012, 04:48 PM
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bryan at bnr is a great seller. i know.. i have bought from him and spent thousands from a 20b ,haltech ecu ,all the turbos that i install at my shop for my customers they all go through bnr! great guy!
05-06-2012, 12:01 PM
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I just left chips place looking over the car.....we are going to flow test the Rc injectors because its looking like they might also be fake! Of they come back as some odd numbers I plan on getting a hold of my lawyer!
05-06-2012, 12:29 PM
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I seriously don't see any way possible that Chris can make this right short of just giving you a full refund and letting you keep all the chinese knock offs he sent you.
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05-06-2012, 01:15 PM
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We have all the cells maxed out with fuel & its way too lean and breaking up around 6.5-7k and above!
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05-06-2012, 03:57 PM
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As previous owner of Mazdaparts.com I thought I'd make a comment on this thread.
I am not going to make a comment on the character of the individuals/company in this thread I am simply going to post some facts and pictures related that I have. I may make a commentary but it won't be directed to any one specifically.
First off I used to keep all the flow testing sheets from injectors sold as many customers asked for a copy that they could keep for their records. It used to be organized and linked to customers but I no longer have access to that database, but I do have those sheets. So I've attached a copy of the flow chart that was most likely from the kit in question based on the date. MP also used to sell injectors directly (maybe they still do) and they would use the same suppliers and if I recall they would be drop shipped directly from RC in cali...so there was never any authenticity issues.
As for the wastegate...Tial sells/sold an MVS wastegate without water ports so that could be a source of confusion. I still have a Tial MVS from a kit I kept for myself from a customer who never made his final payment (anyone in Poland with an RX-8 who forgot they were buying a turbo kit please contact me :D) that I have yet to install. The wastegate is from around August, serial is SN12101347 feel free to call and check it out.
Often we would have customers who would receive their item a day or two late and post all over the forum how MP are criminals. A crazy example is the guy who partially installs a turbo kit, doesn't finish the oil lines and starts the car and destroys the Precision turbo...blames ER but wants MP to refund it. When that doesn't happen they go all over the forum to every thread they can posting defaming info...These crazy customers I jokingly referred to as Forum Terrorists.
Years ago cooler heads would prevail and the mods would get involved. When that stopped happening the forum lost a lot of great vendors...SFR to name one who had great products but no time for the bs. Eventually I took MP off the forum too...you would need a full time guy to watch the forum and provide factual info.
My advice in general to ER is you do not negotiate with a Forum Terrorist.
Hope to comment again soon...hopefully less than a few months or years from now! :D Also when did we get the zombie thing? cool!
/edit to upload better quality pic of the sheet
I am not going to make a comment on the character of the individuals/company in this thread I am simply going to post some facts and pictures related that I have. I may make a commentary but it won't be directed to any one specifically.
First off I used to keep all the flow testing sheets from injectors sold as many customers asked for a copy that they could keep for their records. It used to be organized and linked to customers but I no longer have access to that database, but I do have those sheets. So I've attached a copy of the flow chart that was most likely from the kit in question based on the date. MP also used to sell injectors directly (maybe they still do) and they would use the same suppliers and if I recall they would be drop shipped directly from RC in cali...so there was never any authenticity issues.
As for the wastegate...Tial sells/sold an MVS wastegate without water ports so that could be a source of confusion. I still have a Tial MVS from a kit I kept for myself from a customer who never made his final payment (anyone in Poland with an RX-8 who forgot they were buying a turbo kit please contact me :D) that I have yet to install. The wastegate is from around August, serial is SN12101347 feel free to call and check it out.
Often we would have customers who would receive their item a day or two late and post all over the forum how MP are criminals. A crazy example is the guy who partially installs a turbo kit, doesn't finish the oil lines and starts the car and destroys the Precision turbo...blames ER but wants MP to refund it. When that doesn't happen they go all over the forum to every thread they can posting defaming info...These crazy customers I jokingly referred to as Forum Terrorists.
Years ago cooler heads would prevail and the mods would get involved. When that stopped happening the forum lost a lot of great vendors...SFR to name one who had great products but no time for the bs. Eventually I took MP off the forum too...you would need a full time guy to watch the forum and provide factual info.
My advice in general to ER is you do not negotiate with a Forum Terrorist.
Hope to comment again soon...hopefully less than a few months or years from now! :D Also when did we get the zombie thing? cool!
/edit to upload better quality pic of the sheet
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05-06-2012, 04:33 PM
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You didn't read the whole thread....when I said things were not included with my kit, I'm talking a matter of months, not days.
The injectors I recieved were from mp, with no papers or documentation. Hence me fears I have more knockoff crap.
I had chip post my SN off the wastegate, with ER's little pipe too. There is no way around the fact that this is not what I paid over 6 thousand dollars for. All I asked was for what I bought, and Chinese crap is not it.
Hey it was my job to kill terrorists overseas...not trying to get things I don't deserve.
The injectors I recieved were from mp, with no papers or documentation. Hence me fears I have more knockoff crap.
I had chip post my SN off the wastegate, with ER's little pipe too. There is no way around the fact that this is not what I paid over 6 thousand dollars for. All I asked was for what I bought, and Chinese crap is not it.
Hey it was my job to kill terrorists overseas...not trying to get things I don't deserve.
05-09-2012, 09:55 AM
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I bought some pieces out of an esmeril kit one of those was the 1000cc RC injectors. They looked pretty freaking legit, I'd send them off to get flow tested....
Also all these issues seem to be coming from the tuner saying the parts are knocks offs. Is there a chance that the tuner has no idea what hes doing?
Not trying to make excuses for anyone just looking at it from a neutral perspective.
If it were me I'd cut my losses and mail them a bag of **** (literally a bag of human feces). Then I'd go through the whole kit remove anything that could be a cheap knock off and get it replaced.
Good luck man.
Also all these issues seem to be coming from the tuner saying the parts are knocks offs. Is there a chance that the tuner has no idea what hes doing?
Not trying to make excuses for anyone just looking at it from a neutral perspective.
If it were me I'd cut my losses and mail them a bag of **** (literally a bag of human feces). Then I'd go through the whole kit remove anything that could be a cheap knock off and get it replaced.
Good luck man.
05-09-2012, 10:06 AM
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Well, he posted today so I would guess no updates.
And Team is here because his name was brought up and basically asked to respond here as a result. If he didn't want him to respond then he should have kept his name out of his mouth (fingers). MM has to do with this because this is about a vendor who didn't deliver. How is MM not relevant?
As for vendors being "terrorized", cry me a ******* river. I am sure there are scum bag customers but I have seen so many vendors here just make excuse after excuse and it's just annoying as hell. If you **** up just own up to it and make it right, simple as that.
And if we have lost a few vendors, it's no biggie because there are vendors here that do deliver and stand behind their service and their products.
05-09-2012, 10:49 AM
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Technically, MM is not a vendor anymore, but I get what you mean, I just don't see the point of dragging that poor dead horse back into the room. This is specifically about ER.
There is NO reasonable answer for conducting shitty business, some customers are always unreasonable and using them as an excuse for your lack of service is a cop out.
There is NO reasonable answer for conducting shitty business, some customers are always unreasonable and using them as an excuse for your lack of service is a cop out.
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05-09-2012, 11:14 AM
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I bought some pieces out of an esmeril kit one of those was the 1000cc RC injectors. They looked pretty freaking legit, I'd send them off to get flow tested....
Also all these issues seem to be coming from the tuner saying the parts are knocks offs. Is there a chance that the tuner has no idea what hes doing?
Not trying to make excuses for anyone just looking at it from a neutral perspective.
If it were me I'd cut my losses and mail them a bag of **** (literally a bag of human feces). Then I'd go through the whole kit remove anything that could be a cheap knock off and get it replaced.
Good luck man.
Also all these issues seem to be coming from the tuner saying the parts are knocks offs. Is there a chance that the tuner has no idea what hes doing?
Not trying to make excuses for anyone just looking at it from a neutral perspective.
If it were me I'd cut my losses and mail them a bag of **** (literally a bag of human feces). Then I'd go through the whole kit remove anything that could be a cheap knock off and get it replaced.
Good luck man.
05-09-2012, 12:23 PM
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I've read the thread, I'm not saying that the parts are legit and I'm sticking up for anyone. I'm just trying to see where the issues are stemming from.
I've seen plenty of guys run knockoff wastegates, blow off valves and a slew of other **** with no issues. Most of them unknowingly ran knockoffs due to them looking identical to the originals.
Since I have no experience with the adaptronics unit or the tuner I can't vouch for them. That is why I suggested getting the injectors flow tested, there is a good chance that adaptronics unit is complete ****.
05-09-2012, 02:29 PM
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Oh well this is what happens when you mod. Companies don't know enough about our cars to provide any real service/solutions. The R&D was never done as our platform didnt do very well and sunk rather quickly. So we are left to sift through 40 different opinions from "experts" on what should be done.
The more people experiment the more collective info we gather as time goes on.
05-10-2012, 12:09 PM
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im sure you have the same saying in the Army as we do in the Navy:
Trust but Verify.
Its a hard lesson and Im pretty sure we have all paid the price at some point.
Did you purchase with credit card?
I know my American Express would surely assit with this. If you dont have an AE - look into it and make sure you annotate your account as Active Duty. They will mark your account as Service Members Civil Relief and you pay no fees regardless. They love the Military.
I know it doesnt help now but it could save you later down the line. I hope that
Chris comes up with a solution. I like to believe in people and operate by handshake but the cynic is coming out more and more.
Trust but Verify.
Its a hard lesson and Im pretty sure we have all paid the price at some point.
Did you purchase with credit card?
I know my American Express would surely assit with this. If you dont have an AE - look into it and make sure you annotate your account as Active Duty. They will mark your account as Service Members Civil Relief and you pay no fees regardless. They love the Military.
I know it doesnt help now but it could save you later down the line. I hope that
Chris comes up with a solution. I like to believe in people and operate by handshake but the cynic is coming out more and more.
