zoom44

yeah see in this thread from 2002 we talk about the mps 6 and that it was green lighted. i have a link there which goes to an article with the quotes from the mazda folks about the awd. however the article is on wardsauto and is apparently in their subscribers only area. someone who is will have to log in and grab the story if they want to read it.

T.T.

Man...I love Mazda.

Hanzo

It's not all about power, it has to have the handling as well.

shelleys_man_06

A twin-turbo setup is useless for a 4-cylinder setup. This Mazda 6/Atenza is going to be pretty insane if and when they do sell it. I hope it doesn't turn out to be like the Accord Type R . Move over 4G63 :D!!

shelleys_man_06

The Mazda 6 already has some upper-echelon handling. Hooray for independent suspensions!

Racer Rick

Keep nasty 4wd (too much weight) and give me RWD only!!

Rotarian_SC

I think it looks pretty good, the 6-cylinder is already faster than the RX8.

Ok well not really, but it did run a faster street start (5-60 which is supposed to simulate general driving conditions unlike a 8k rpm clutch drop) than the RX8 did according to C&D.

AbusiveWombat

A good sequential turbo setup could reduce lag. Something that's very apparrent on a 4 cyclinder.

I'd also hold off on the "move over 4g63" until we actually see this engine and what it's capable of. The 4g63 has been out for over 10 years and is still the king of hp/L.

Hanzo

4G64 is a 2.0 L not 2.3 L.

shelleys_man_06

First of all, I would be an idiot if I said the 4G63 was a 2.3 litre engine. Second of all, who cares about the horsepower-per-liter ratio? Seriously, it's a cry the Honda kids use to conceal the fact that their car is slow. The ratio is a subject of bench engineers and bench racers. I hate to sound like a [w]itch, but people, especially in the United States, think everything is power this and power that. Give it a rest. The Mitsubishi 4G63 is the king of turbocharged four-cylinder engines. I can't wait until MHI comes out with its 4G63 gasoline stratified charge direct injection motor. Hooray for ultra-lean combustion :D!

shelleys_man_06

After I made some observations, it seems that people enjoy flocking to threads that have the words, turbocharger, nitrous, supercharger, and of course Kari. But hey, don't be insulted, I'm always in these threads too :D.

AbusiveWombat

#1, I never quoted you as saying the 4g63 was a 2.3L...nore was that anywhere in my post.

#2, I only brought up hp/L because it's well known that the 4g63 can easily handle 400+ hp on stock internals and block. Delivering over 200+ hp/L....now we'll have to wait and see if this new 2.3L engine is as friendly before we talk about the 4g63 moving over.

Now don't take this the wrong way...I'm very pro MS Mazda6 but I'm also very hesitant on jumping for joy until it's actually here. Hell, if the MPS Mazda6 was out when I bought the EVO, there is a very good possibility that I'd have two Mazda 6's in the garage.

shelleys_man_06

Sorry about that. I was quoting Hanzo for informing me that the 4G63 was a 2.0 liter engine. We're all friends here .

ALMOST8IT

I remember reading in the automotive news a while back that Mazda licensed Nissan's four wheel drive technology for use in a version of the 6 that will compete with the STI and Evo. I remember the article because I thought it was strange that Mazda would go to Nissan for the system rather than relying on something from the Ford group. Anyone else remember reading this?

AbusiveWombat

A system like the new G35 or Skyline would be amazing!

It's a bit off topic but I read in the latest Automobile Mag that Audi may be getting into this same segment with the AWD RS A3 (kinda like the VW R32) with 350 hp out of a 3.2L turbocharged V6. Should be an interested market in a few years.

Hanzo

That would be strange because Nissan/Renault has no ties with Mazda at all.

Truss

$29,000 is optimistic. I'm betting it's closer to $32-33k. It will be interesting ot see how Mazda positions the RX-8 in light of the MS6. All this thinking about an electric turbo for the rotary might be spot-on. Add in the new Miata and MS versions of that and the 3 and suddenly Mazda is absolutely smoking the competition (with the possible exception of Subaru, whose new Legacy GT and STi are VERY nice cars). It's nice to see a Japanese car company that doesn't want to be Honda or Toyota.

T.

doubleohsmurf

This is proof that Mazda is that A-10 pulling out of its huge performance nosedive. Its slowly coming, but when the bombs hit it will be awesome. Its all about gettin away from Ford. Remember Ford doesnt own Mazda, just has controlling interest/stock ownership. The 3, 6, and 8 are Mazda platforms, all new and all now ready for performance development. Those plats hopefully shouldnt be shared with Ford, while the MPV and Tribute, and maybe 2600 will be replaced down the road, hopefully they will be Ford free as well. Who would like to see some Mazda SUV's like the BMW x5, x3, or the Chevy Avalanche? And who would like to see FI 8 and/or 4th gen 7???

zoom44

the 3 is on a platform developed in europe by - ahh damn i forget, i wanna say volvo but i know that isn't right. ike or someone will remember- but anyway it isn't a mazda paltform. and it will be shared with ford as the new platform for the focus. also i understand ford is developing several cars and possibly an suv on the 6 platform.

zoom44

hell i was right- it's a volvo platform for the new s40

doubleohsmurf

oops, youre right. the plat the 3 uses was developed in part by ford europe division. i forgot cus i recalled that the one i test drove said 94% (or close to it) japanese made on the window sticker. i didnt think that any other cars out there were using that platform though...oh well thats too bad. but still, everything that mazda developes on its own helps mazda in the long run, not ford.

cueball

I thought the platform was developed by mazda and volvo with ford providing the money, so that is why the focus gets to use it.


Edit:

I just read Zoom44's link and realize what I said isn't exactly right.

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

the Mazda3 chassis is shared with the new Volvo S40 and the 2005 EURO Focus

ALMOST8IT

I don't think so since the 3, Volvo S40 and next Focus are all on the same platform. The 6, Lincoln Zephyr, and Ford Futura (or what ever Ford will name it) are all on a common platform. Rather than getting away from Ford, they seem to be integrating more with the Ford family.

Zephyr

Futura

Focus/S40

Ford Family Plan

Haris

Yea, no way mazda will ever get away from ford. I dont see a good reason to do so either. Ford has alot of money for many projects that mazda has in mind. (cough*RX7*hopefully). So right now the only car on the market that's 100% made from mazda parts is miata. At least that's what they told me. Can't wait for this MPS 6 to be released. It should be a beautiful beast.