Betelgeuse

I totally agree with you there and yes given equal drivers the edge will probably favor the EVO. I only posted the video to show that the difference from a roll isn't night and day like some would have you believe.

Thanks and happy holidays to you too.

Betelgeuse

I will repeat, hardly anyone has posted track videos of an MS3, so what you, I or Ike says is usual isn't based on any facts unless you or him can provide some video or time slips that says otherwise. My point is, we're now beginning to see what is 'usual'. Yes I agree that person is a good driver but he was consistent which is important. And nowhere have I claimed that is the norm.

I never ever said the EVO or STI isn't fast from a roll, however, I said they're not the highway monsters people think they are. And the video of an MS3 keeping up proves that.


Any car can be modded to perform better, that's not the point. There's already a kit for the MS3 putting it around 300 whp with 300+ ft/lbs of torque.

...and vice versa.
I agee that the aftermarket isn't as strong but that's changing daily.

Actually if we want to play fair we'd either have to make them all FWD or AWD.
And off the line the AWD will be superior, there's no argument there.

Ike

Hrm...

Betelgeuse

Um, there is a difference between the words fast and very fast. A zo6 or porsche 911 is very fast.If the EVO was very fast, the ms3 would've been left in the dust. So yes the EVO isn't very fast from a roll. There, lesson over, class dismissed.

Mikeluvs8

hey i just spoke my thoughts and let you guys knoe what i seen in front of my face, i really dont care whos faster and whos not, and yes i said i thought they were ugly but i never said anything bout hating evo's or sti's on my post i give them credit for what it is but there not impressive, and out here in vegas i never seen a stock evo or sti break a 13sec 1/4 mile, all i knoe is that i saw what i saw... and it is what it is.

Pololo_RX8

OK kids It's XMAS Let's all be "nice" or no presents ok?

Let's go back to the topic on hand

For what is worth, even the STI and EVO forums are "talking" about the MS3 and its capabilities(there is a reason why this car is being "compared" to these rice machines) Even some EVO/STI owners are switching to MS3 because of the "sleeper factor", affordable performance, affordable payments and affordable insurance

And once again, the topic was MS3 for RX8 and once again I'll say, the RX8 is an AWESOME driver's car and even more fun

So SD what about you?? Still no word from you that started this topic

Carlos

saturn

What difference does it make who would win from a roll? The 8 will take it in tha twisties!1!!!

Betelgeuse

Hahahahaha, now that's some serious twisties there.

JeRKy 8 Owner

Bigboys....

imrtommy

haha actually my brother was driving it. at the launch we were about even on second the ms3 pulled up about half but once the ms3 shifted to 3rd my second pulled off easily. anyway i love the ms3, great car. apparantly great gift for xmas also, but bad for the wallet... >_<

BlueEyes

YES!! TO THE TWISTIES 1!!11!!

dynamho

Jeremy Clarkson verdict on Mazdaspeed 3.
"...it is at best a flawed also-ran."

"What is most puzzling is not simply how the same people who make driver’s cars as good as the MX-5 and RX-8 could get this so wrong, but the fact that this engine can also be found in the Mazda6 MPS, a fine and underrated machine."

article: http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...522525,00.html

imrtommy

come on guys, if ms3 being faster than a stock 8 makes you that uneasy than do what i did. nitrous (cost 700 for everything) and beat the ms3.... ok? jeeze, i have both and they are both great cars to me.

dynamho

I wasn't bashing the MS3. I was just informing folks of the article and I didn't want to start a new thread.

I actually like the MS3 after the test drive. It's not a refined machine by all means. Now I know why they're pitching it as their "wild child". It's a fantastic car in that respect, but I believe, quality issues aside, the GTI MkV is a much better car in this segment by design.

snizzle

So this guy thinks the exact opposite as the rest of the media..... right.....

Jeremy Clarkson:
MS6 > MS3

Everyone else:
MS6 < MS3

Spin9k

The MS3 is a compromise car that does some things very very well in normal driving. Still it's an economy car design at its heart, so it doesn't replace a Lexus or BMW. For cheap you can't have it all... but that doesn't mean it's not fun it its own right, flaws and all. Just like the 8.

snizzle

But to say Mazda got it "so wrong" is ridiculous.

Spin9k

JC intent is to insult and inflame as many as possible with his every comment. Leave no car unscathed....I can't think of one he's given unqulified praise. Doesn't matter how good, expensive, whatever. Remember the 8 review?.... "the best car I've driven this year... actually no..."

His game is getting the most viewership and collateral bickering going on. . seems to work... say what?

9291150

No car I know of is deserving of unqualified praise, but he does clearly voice his opinions on things he likes, like the 8. A 260hp front driver is certainly not appealing to everybody, and clearly not to him.

He called us motorcyclists a bunch of homo's, enraging many. I don't care, the guy's funny and, the 8 aside, I agree with him more than I disagree.

dynamho

Yes!
He's an extremely opinionated car connoisseur, not a horsepower junky.

dynamho

You're right, it's ridiculous.

I think Mazda actually targeted well with this one. The brute force is part of the charm. It appeals to folks (mostly young) who treasure horsepower over balance.

But you have to admit, this will be a much better car with AWD.

LostAngel

His 'actually no' comment was based on driving in the rain after he filmed the 'best car' statement...which everyone here knows the 8 + stock tires + rain = bad.

The 8 is personally the best car i've driven...except when I had stock tires in the rain.

snizzle

Wouldn't you say the media reception for the MS3 has been much more positive than the MS6? Are you trying to say everyone but JC overlooks all flaws for horsepower? The MS3/6 basically use the same engine.

snizzle

Yes, or RWD.

dynamho

I agree that the media reception for MS3 has been much more positive because it just blows away the competition by brute force. It's a "numbers" car. The car is so media-friendly to put a spotlight on.

The MS6 by contrast is probably not a class leader, which is why I think it wasn't exactly a media darling. Although I do recall that it got its share of favorable press. However, I feel that when you compare MS3 and MS6, the MS6 is a better car in terms of balance, as JC stated.