ASH8

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssC...20547020090715

Renesis_8

I hope they will continue their push on smaller displacement engines coupled to small turbochargers.

If this is true, then its pretty good for Mazda. They could really use a hybrid car in their lineup in the future for publicity.
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ASH8

Mazda's STOCK surges with the news by 11%..

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009...fx6660676.html

kvndoom

Gogogogo MazdaSPEED Prius!

SayNoToPistons

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A Prius that is slow in the straight like but cut corners like there's no tomorrow... The Mazda Prius.

brillo

I'm kinda surprised its not a partnership with Ford, as I believe the current new Fusion is all Ford technology. I guess the fact that the hybrid development will take place in Japan makes Toyota a better partner from a logistical basis. Either way great news.

Ever Hernandez

Too bad Mazda is not pushing its turbodiesel technology here in the states. They should at least bring the new 3 equipped with the new engine in a small batch and see what regular people have to say.

I guess with the number of projected sales, the Mazda 3 or 6 are possible beneficiaries of the technology.

MattMPS

Ford have a deal (since 3 or 4 years ago) w/Toyota for hybrid or i'm wrong?

BTW...Mazda it's was forced to revise its plans in these months..... "full gas" on Hybrids....IMHO

3 and 6 also for me...2013 it's time fon future gen of Mazda6 (if based on 3+3 changement plan)

Mazmart

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Matt has it correct. Mazda has had to make very quick adjustments to their plans due to the world economy and due to the mandates of the US government.

Paul.

kvndoom

They got half of that down already, I'll let you guess which half.

A diesel 3 would give VW some serious competition. I think it would sell well. I doubt a 6 would.

Ever Hernandez

^Bring them both, one to compete with the gti and the other one for the jetta/passat combo.

BTW, Fusion hybrid is all ford tech.

MattMPS

I'm European, and i've nerver seen a Ford Fusion..but...IMHO fusion is NOT Ford tech..it's part of the deal w/Toyota....

http://www.geardiary.com/2008/12/17/...fusion-hybrid/

Fusion Hybrid hav a Aisin E-CVT...Aisin it's Toyota-related part supplier...

Fusion it's part of the deal with Toyota IMHO

robrecht

I'm guessing that Mazda, like Honda, may be experiencing difficulties with US emission standards for their Diesel. Hope I'm wrong.

MattMPS

they have in development a 100% new diesel (not the current 2.2).. a 2.0 liter (official sources..industrial plan)

IMHO is "US-related"....

robrecht

Any idea on ETA? There were also rumors re: bringing a current Diesel to the US, but I haven't heard anything lately. I'd rather see a smaller turbo Diesel or rotary hybrid than gasoline.

MattMPS

http://www.mazda.com/publicity/relea...3/070322a.html

see powertrain

see point 2)


the part of "further evolve our clean diesel" is expilcited into new 2.2.

N.B. maybe plans NOW are changed......

robrecht

Thanks. Yeah, that was back in 2007. More recently, Honda failed to meet US emissions standards with their new Diesel and abandoned it for the US market. I hope Mazda has better success, but I'm not wildly optimistic. I think our new emissions standards are just too stringent. There should be some exceptions for small cars with higher fuel economy. I used to have a '79 VW 1.5L Diesel Rabbit that got something like 60 mpg highway and 48 in town. That was 30 years ago, long before this whole generation of parallel hybrids. Between our government and Hummer-loving citizens, it's amazing that any car companies still exist with the technological foresight to innovate effectively.

myriadshalaks

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yeah, i think ford runs the toyota 2nd gen hybrid synergy in its hybrid models. the 2010 prius is 4th gen. even honda uses the toyota technology.

the civic hybrid is a 06 prius in fancy wrapping.

at least, that's what they told me when i worked at toyota.

r0tor

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the Escape is shared Toyota technology. The Fusion is all ford hybrid technology and actually better then the current Toyota technology

shipdriver

The linked article in your post states that the technology was developed in-house by Ford. Based on reviews that I've read so far, the Fusion hybrid system is regarded more highly than Toyota's. I could also call Aisin a Honda and Mazda-related supplier.

MattMPS

i think it's only a PR statement...they simply can't say.."Hey, guys...we have Toyota tech under the hood"

aisin? ok...BUT every single thing of hybrid powertrain of Toyota it's covered by patents....you can buy nothing from Aisin (of hybrid synergy drive stuff) without Toyota's permisssion.

if the system of fusion it's the same of toyota (HSD) itìs ALL patented..if is different (honda -like), not....

shipdriver

This is from autobloggreen.com/autoblog.com (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/07...a-hybrid-syst/) :

"Unfortunately, he undermines himself with some blatant errors and misinformation. In discussing how Detroit automakers will deal with new fuel efficiency requirements, he makes the all-too-common mistake of referring to Ford's hybrid system as licensed from Toyota ("Similarly, Ford has the Toyota-licensed hybrid Fusion and will soon produce the European Ford Fiesta in Mexico").

The reality is that Ford independently developed its own hybrid system at the same time Toyota was doing its own. The basic architecture of both systems is the same and both are based on the concepts developed and patented by TRW engineers in the late 1960s. When Ford introduced the Escape Hybrid, Toyota went after the Blue Oval for infringing on its patents. Ford had patents of its own on the technology that Toyota was using. Eventually, the two companies reached a cross-licensing agreement that gives both companies the right to build their own systems. Such cross-licensing agreements are common in these kinds of cases, but Ford did not use the Toyota hybrid system. The only other company that uses Toyota's system is Nissan for its Altima hybrid, and they actually buy hardware from Toyota."

This is from the Wall Street Journal (7/1/2009): "Ford, meantime, said it developed its own hybrid technology but agreed to cross-license patents with Toyota to prevent any legal issues. No money changed hands, Ford said."

Also, anecdotally, Fusion Hybrid city mileage 41 mpg > Camry Hybrid city mileage 33 mpg, which even with a lack of faith in EPA mileage numbers, this is too big of a difference to be inside even EPA's errors.

Now with as with anything on the internet, one must not believe everything one sees, but this seems fairly rational and legitimate to me. Now if one wants to believe what Toyota salesmen have to say on the subject, that is one;s own business.

IRT Aisin, Ford uses the Aisin CVT as many companies use Aisin transmissions and is not the basis for their hybrid systems. Heck, my RX-8 (and the RX-7 I had before it) has an Aisin tranny.

MattMPS

OK, interesting read, thanks.

Now all it's more clear......but there is an AGREEMENT (like i've said)......