Think 10% Ethanol sucks? try 15% !
01-26-2011, 04:48 PM
#103
I'm just wondering how they got the ECU to understand how to squirt something like 50% more fuel since it wasn't built as E85 for 85%ethanol.
If I had a retro vehicle that I was rebuilding, I'd up the compression to about 16 to 1, and enjoy E85, but they are trying to sell us on the wonders of E85 so we should like E10 in cars with 9-10 to 1 compression ratio; that's too big a stretch.
If I had a retro vehicle that I was rebuilding, I'd up the compression to about 16 to 1, and enjoy E85, but they are trying to sell us on the wonders of E85 so we should like E10 in cars with 9-10 to 1 compression ratio; that's too big a stretch.
01-26-2011, 05:42 PM
#105
The point is: gas mileage goes down about the same amount as the # of ethanol in the fuel, all the resources polluting, ruining food prices, etc. is a complete waste, and sometimes the E10 is not stable, causes corrosion, etc.
Like I said, E85 would be a great fuel as long as the car had at least 15 to 1 compression, but the E10 or E15 doesn't work.
They should use all the ethanol in E85, and market it as a racers edge like in drag racing.
01-27-2011, 03:58 AM
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01-27-2011, 04:28 AM
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I'm doing some research, there's not a single station that says about this ethanol crap.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...42:0046:EN:PDF
It just says that some countries use it and the max allowed is 5% (and this would explain why my old Corolla pings, lol.
I'm hating all this stuff anyway. First i have to work on my Ferrari to keep it working efficiently with unleaded fuel, then this ethanol crap.
We should buy cheap racing fuels lol http://www.pantaracingfuel.it/
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...42:0046:EN:PDF
It just says that some countries use it and the max allowed is 5% (and this would explain why my old Corolla pings, lol.
I'm hating all this stuff anyway. First i have to work on my Ferrari to keep it working efficiently with unleaded fuel, then this ethanol crap.
We should buy cheap racing fuels lol http://www.pantaracingfuel.it/
01-27-2011, 06:26 AM
#111
The Department of Energy already states they don't approve of any ethanol being used in engines of any size. The don't feel vehicles are capable of handling the changes made by the ethanol. If your looking at octane, wear of components, or even the temperature changes it causes. So for me if the DOE says its not good for your car, well I believe them. If anyone knows about engine wear and the affects of fuel its people whos sole job is generating power.
01-27-2011, 07:53 AM
#112
E85 has problems of its own. Its self life is greatly reduced and water contamination is a real problem. Sorry I rather have real pure gas for street use.
If anyone is racing using E85 then they are probably not buying it from the pump.
I am seriously considering using vp gas on track. We now have a dealer in town.
If anyone is racing using E85 then they are probably not buying it from the pump.
I am seriously considering using vp gas on track. We now have a dealer in town.
01-27-2011, 09:19 AM
#113
The Department of Energy already states they don't approve of any ethanol being used in engines of any size. The don't feel vehicles are capable of handling the changes made by the ethanol. If your looking at octane, wear of components, or even the temperature changes it causes. So for me if the DOE says its not good for your car, well I believe them. If anyone knows about engine wear and the affects of fuel its people whos sole job is generating power.
Who cares if it messes up your engine/fuel line/whatever that you have to buy a new car/replace the parts more often which generates more green house gas ? who cares if it gives you PoS mpg which means more re-fills & more burning ?? who cares that it takes more energy to produce these useless crap ? who cares if its nothing but a failed industry we just have to keep pumpin' them cash to keep it float ?
That's exactly how this dumb government works these days. sad.
01-27-2011, 09:25 AM
#114
I'm just wondering how they got the ECU to understand how to squirt something like 50% more fuel since it wasn't built as E85 for 85%ethanol.
If I had a retro vehicle that I was rebuilding, I'd up the compression to about 16 to 1, and enjoy E85, but they are trying to sell us on the wonders of E85 so we should like E10 in cars with 9-10 to 1 compression ratio; that's too big a stretch.
If I had a retro vehicle that I was rebuilding, I'd up the compression to about 16 to 1, and enjoy E85, but they are trying to sell us on the wonders of E85 so we should like E10 in cars with 9-10 to 1 compression ratio; that's too big a stretch.
You can get any results you want from any test ---- You just have to set the right "rules"
I love those "fake" comments found in that Video. Wow. they really paid a lot of people to make those comments.
01-27-2011, 08:45 PM
#115
lol when I took my 427 engine apart to replace the crankshaft, cam shafts, piston rings, and valve springs it didn't look like that. The piston heads were much cleaner. I didn't look at the entire video, but if his valves looked like his heads did then thats not impressive to me. My engine inside wasn't nearly that bad.
01-28-2011, 08:09 AM
#116
The video was far from scientific. It did not test two identical vehicles under identical conditions in a controlled environment where they could draw proper conclusions.
I spoke to an engineer friend from our favorite manufacturer (Starts with an M) last night and this topic came up. He did mention the ill effects of ethanol in cars that weren't designed for it's usage. They had to create new parts in Japan to handle 'crap' that they had no issues with in any other country.
Paul.
I spoke to an engineer friend from our favorite manufacturer (Starts with an M) last night and this topic came up. He did mention the ill effects of ethanol in cars that weren't designed for it's usage. They had to create new parts in Japan to handle 'crap' that they had no issues with in any other country.
Paul.
01-28-2011, 04:04 PM
#117
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They did down under...!
01-28-2011, 11:22 PM
#119
nycgps,
well yeah, They couldn't explain the glaring question of how they got that much ethanol through the fuel system.
I guess i'm not cynical enough to beat on liars; I need to up my game.
well yeah, They couldn't explain the glaring question of how they got that much ethanol through the fuel system.
I guess i'm not cynical enough to beat on liars; I need to up my game.
01-31-2011, 11:23 AM
#121
Another datapoint:
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is responsible for certifying gasoline pumps. Their certification for ALL pumping systems that are commercially available stops at exactly 10% ethanol. (Except for the pumps that are specifically certified for E85.)
If you discover pumping stations with ethanol content even a fraction above 10%, they are violating their certification. The local agencies would be, I'd think, interested in hearing about that.
If not, consumer protection groups might and they are the most effective way to get compliance.
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is responsible for certifying gasoline pumps. Their certification for ALL pumping systems that are commercially available stops at exactly 10% ethanol. (Except for the pumps that are specifically certified for E85.)
If you discover pumping stations with ethanol content even a fraction above 10%, they are violating their certification. The local agencies would be, I'd think, interested in hearing about that.
If not, consumer protection groups might and they are the most effective way to get compliance.
01-31-2011, 11:25 AM
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Interesting.
Oh, and I took a pic of the pumps at Walmart that they say contain no Ethanol. I didn't see anything about Ethanol or being oxygenated, etc.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/5404526165/
Oh, and I took a pic of the pumps at Walmart that they say contain no Ethanol. I didn't see anything about Ethanol or being oxygenated, etc.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/5404526165/
01-31-2011, 11:33 AM
#123
Another datapoint:
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is responsible for certifying gasoline pumps. Their certification for ALL pumping systems that are commercially available stops at exactly 10% ethanol. (Except for the pumps that are specifically certified for E85.)
If you discover pumping stations with ethanol content even a fraction above 10%, they are violating their certification. The local agencies would be, I'd think, interested in hearing about that.
If not, consumer protection groups might and they are the most effective way to get compliance.
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is responsible for certifying gasoline pumps. Their certification for ALL pumping systems that are commercially available stops at exactly 10% ethanol. (Except for the pumps that are specifically certified for E85.)
If you discover pumping stations with ethanol content even a fraction above 10%, they are violating their certification. The local agencies would be, I'd think, interested in hearing about that.
If not, consumer protection groups might and they are the most effective way to get compliance.
so how am I gonna test the Ethanol count ? >_<
*sigh* I hate this
