RevTo9K

Heh. It's not up to me actually. I think of rally cars as a subset of sports cars, but that's just my opinion.

JRichter

Agreed.

RevTo9K

I should have been more specific. I was referring to P-WRC Group N cars. My understanding was that those cars were showroom specification, road-legal cars, and that the only modifications allowed were rollcage, harnesses, and underbody protection of gas tank etc. for running on dirt and rocks.

I'm by no means an expert on the various regs in WRC, though - I could be wrong about this.

Ike

That hasn't always been the case and the STI and Evo exist in the first place solely because of homologation.

nt5k

Good point.. Forgot all about the other groups..

Steiner

These threads are always fun. You get a great review at the beginning and then 4 pages underhanded compliments and mindless dribble from the haters. It would be nice if people actually knew something about the history of the STi before regurgitating bits of negative info that may or may not be true...

1.) The STi exists as a result of WRC homogolation rules
2.) F&F hit theaters about 10 years after the first STi hit Japanese showrooms
3.) Petter Solberg's rally car began it's life as a production vehicle
4.) The STi line has been a well built and reliable vehicle for 15 years
5.) RX-8 production will cease long before STi production

therm8

You forgot some stuff...

Steiner

Hmmm witty. Although I think your own insecurities have got the best of you. Nobody with an Evo negatively compared it to an RX-8 in this thread. And people do care. It got 4 pages of replies in less than 24 hours. You clicked on the thread too. Or did you think a thread titled "Test drove a '06 STI:Enthusiast Impression" would be about something else?

JRichter

Amen That sums up the whole thread in 5 lines. Now why can't we have WRC coverage in America ?

Steiner

I feel your pain brutha. After the first petition got 65k signatures they started this one...

http://www.petitiononline.com/svsn/petition.html

JRichter

Count me in...

therm8

There's your problem. You assume everyone with an Rx-8 is insecure about their car when someone mentions the godly STI or Evo. People "don't care" about the so called Rally heritage behind the cars, how long some version of the car has been in production, etc. I never said that no one cares about a review of a test drive.


Btw, = humor, ie said in jest, lighten up, not everyone hates your car. (see there it is again)

Rhawb

Aye, I don't hate the car, but you guys (Steiner and Ike) are definitely getting quite defensive about your cars (in a thread based on a positive review, no less). I'm not insecure with my car - in fact, I definitely prefer NOT having such a raw car as a daily driver - but I'm seeing some shades of the pot calling the kettle black with you guys.

Most of the general population will see the STi and Evo as a hopped up kid's car, not for its rally heritage or performance value. I think everyone here already understands what it is, but some still see it as a hopped up econocar and that's really not far from the truth. They're both, after all, tuned up versions of economy cars.

Again, I don't hate the car, but I think you're interpreting some widespread public preception as insecurity with one's own car and are in turn showing a bit of insecurity yourselves.

Rhawb

Sorry, I suppose it's more with Steiner and Eric. I'm just calling it as I see it. I wouldn't imagine this would be such an issue if they weren't getting so wound up by a couple haters. I'm sure you know I rarely enter these kinds of threads since I don't see all the boasting about one's car to be necessary. Sure, a couple of the 8 guys are doing the same, but I'm seeing it on the other side as well.

Steiner

No, not every RX-8 owner. In fact very few of them. It's just easy to pick them out in threads like this where other cars are being discussed. Take from that what you will, but when I see a thread about test driving a GTO, M3 or 350Z it peeks my interest as an enthusiast if it's well written and somewhat objective. When somebody's first impulse after reading a car review is to defend their own car it hurts my eyes to read.

I don't know how you managed to take my my comments as defensive. First of all I don't own a Subaru STI. Second of all, all I did was post 5 facts I thought to be relevant for the discussion. After that I posted a link to an online petition. I know how these threads about better performing cars always go in here. It's always the same people who blurt out 5 word sentences designed to flame the discussion. Then we spend 3 pages apologizing for them and sorting out the so called "fanbois" from the real enthusiasts. A few RX-8 owners say nice things about the STI and visa versa. Then one of the fanbois gets verbally abused by an owner of his same car for being either "intolerant", "misinfored", or all of the above. I guess it's how the left hand cleans the right online. It's the MO of car message boards. Has been for the 10 years I've been posting on them. I'm sure it will be for the next 10 also. Some people just have an unusually strong connection to their car. Maybe if they felt and defended their wives in the same way our divorce rate wouldn't be 50%+.

sti_eric

What the hell??? I haven't even posted in this thread!
Again, as I posted in the other thread, I only respond when idiot RX-8 owners open their big mouths and start saying stupid things. 9291150 hasn't posted in here, so nothing that stupid has been said yet.

Rhawb

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to flame. Just pointing out that it seems like the STi/Evo camps are digging their heels in a bit more than they notice.

Also, I seem to be mixing up threads a bit. My bad.