playdoh42

Supra: Not going to happen - all the rumors of the two-passenger sports car's return are false.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...15/1041/BLOG06

also very impressive line of future lexus
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...17/1041/BLOG06

rotary crazy

intresting, so my land cruiser its going to stay the same a couple of years more.

Rootski

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I could write a much better article:

"TOYOTA CONTINUES WITH MOST BORE-*** LINEUP EVER."

There. done.

moRotorMotor

They may build some of the most boring, non fun-to-drive vehicles when compared to other automakers by killing off all sports, or sporty cars. However, they got to be doing something right when they are always either ranked 1st or in contention for that position for the last while. Consumers that sign on the dotted line and write the checks are who the manufacturer listens to, not the small group of sports car fanatics. Sure, it would be awesome if they bring back the legendary Supra, but if they do, it will only satisfy a small market, unlike their meat-and-potatoes Corolla and Camry.

DailyDriver2k5

Trust me the new Lexus LF-A is the next tuner market Supra.
Watch how many tuner companies get there greezy paws on this car and tune the hell out of it! Come late 2008/2009 don't be surprised to see 1000+HP Lf-A's running around. Ligenfelter has gotten 1300HP out of there base C6,betch'ya come late 2008 you will see 1000+HP GT-Rs running around too. Its going to get very interesting very soon in the next few years....

Red Devil

The Supra has a history of being relatively affordable. The LF-A, a 500hp Lexus, may be a lot of things, but affordable isn't one of them.

alfy28

agree, i cant see how a $100k+ car going to be a tuner fav or seeing lots of tuner paws on it. Now if it was like say 40k-70k i can see it. but from reading (just speculation btw) it is going to cost between 100k-150k. now i just cant see tuner companies willing to spend that much on a car etc. any just my opinion btw.

CarAndDriver

The only excitement is in the Lexus division. Toyota's mainline passenger and sporty cars induce a coma.

BlueEyes

There are lots of high end tuner companies that develop parts for a $100k++ cars.

BlueSky

Lol you're kidding right? Have you seen the prices used supras go for on Autotrader and whatnot? Its like they freaking appreciate!

rotary crazy

if this car gets a v-8 instead of the v-10 I think the price will be in the $80,000 range

alfy28

I i know this, but i just dont see it the way the daily is seeing it. I guess what i should of said is a very few tuners will pick up this car. the way he said it sounded like there is going to be alot of aftermarket for this vech.

If this car does cost 100k+ , i just dont see the amount of tuners compared the the ppl who will be for the gtr. I see tons of ppl going for the gtr over the lexus. One becase of the price between both cars. If more ppl are willing to buy a car they can afford vs a car they can not. do you think tuner companys are going to jump to a car that ppl cant afford over a car that ppl can? any how just my opinion.

rotary crazy

if toyota makes a 35,000 v-8 supra it would sell like crazy, nuch more than the 350z

VikingDJ

As long as they are the 93-98 Supra, and they are turbo charged, I agree. The demand is high, and the power potential is off the hook. It was very highly priced, much like the FD RX7, and lost it's popularity in the general consumer market when still selling new, but of course with all the hype and time passed, this is a enthusiast favorite to buy used, so people are willing to pay $$$$ to get one. You can, however, pick up a non turbo MKIV Supra for a decent price, as the demand is considerably lower naturally.

alfy28

agreee, now i can see tuner companies jumping for this price of car, because be alot of ppl who can afford 35k car then a 100K+ car.

DailyDriver2k5

Yeah , alot of tuners won't jump on it, but the ones that can, will make the LF-A fly. If theres tuners for Ferrari's, there will be tuners for the LF-A. and the average Ferrari goes for about 180K , thats if you could find a dealer that will sell you a new F430 for that much. Most dealerships are getting way over sticker , like in the lower 200k range, just because the demand for the F430.

Toyota is not smart trying to markert the LF-A to retail at 100k dollars. Lexus isn't at that Luxury status just yet in many peoples minds. There getting close, but many people look at Lexus as just fancy over priced Toyota's. They should look at there numbers of the SC430 or there LS430 , the numbers are status quo. For every LS430 you see on the road , i see 3 S500/600 models running around, at least in my neck of the woods. I really hope they planned that the LF-A was going to be a low volume car for there sales. People with money would probally spend that extra 20k and get them that SL55(V8 version) and the name recognition that Mercedes has built up since the dawn of the automobile.

alfy28

yah its going to be cool to see the tuners willing to play with the car. i cant wait to see what the out come will be on it.

Red Devil

Supras do hold their value well. I don't see your point.

What does any of that have to do with comparing what would be, in my opinion, the substantially lower cost of a new Toyota Supra vs. a new Lexus LF-A?

dillsrotary

i believe a smart move by toyota would be to release a cheap 4 banger rear drive coupe under the scion division. scion clames high sales within the youth (17 to 27), in addition that segment IS the tuner scene, so the release of a cheap low 20k (hell even lower) rear-drive car would be a gold mine, ESPECIALLY with drifting reaching most of the nation these days. hell keep it the same 4 banger from the TC (2.4 liter), the aftermarket for that is all ready plentiful and every kid that just got his or her driving license would absolutely buy a rear drive car that they can easily supercharge or turbo charge cheaply.

It boggles my mind why anyone hasn't jumped on this yet.

NotAPreppie

I agree. A simple, light RWD car with the 2AZ-FE would be a great low-end coupe. Start it at $18-$19k with the same TRD supercharger accessory from the tC. I don't think you'd want to base it off of the Avensis like the current tC is as that seems to engender portliness.

rotary crazy

mazda will with the kabura type car

what boggles my mind is why mazda dint sale the base rx-8 here the 5 speed 4 port base car cost in japan around $20,000 to $22,000

Romancer

The reaction to the LF-A will not be that great in the first couple years. Ferrari tuners don't have that much of a following in proportion to Japanese import tuners. And not many guys with Ferraris may want to pay over 70K for a Lexus when they can buy a car with a more established name and following. The GTR is the car to watch the tuners play with, not the LF-A..not any time soon at least.

Clavius

Because the Auto Companies keep on forgetting the Muscle Car Era. Low cost hight Hp/customability usualy equals sales. Right now Toyota is betting that most of the "kids" will just buy the Scion brand in then in 5-10 years upgrade to a full Toyota then 10 years after that Lexus. Its part of the reason atleast to me why they are expanding into Nascar, bigger exposure and makes their Camry seem "Sportier" than it really is. Also as these kids who own Scion's grow up they'll see the Camry running around winning race's they'll figure why not and buy one.

Still wish they'd bring back the Supra especially now, even though its not from the 70's alot of people remember it. Look at the Challenger and Camaro buzz jesh to me it would be smart business to suck some wind out of the "American" auto maker sails/sales.

Japan8

Simple. People already complain about a lack of low-end torque in the 6-port motor and the 4-port AT being a slug. Swapping the AT with the 5spd MT isn't going to make it much faster and it'll still be significantly slower than the 6-port MT. Add to that the ECU tuning issues for aftermarket... It just doesn't make sense.

BlueSky

The primary reason I think that Toyota would opt out of the Supra is for brand image. Right now, its all about the "MPG!" and Toyota has probably the best lineup MPG of any automaker in the U.S.. Their whole brand image revolves around reliable, and economical transportation appliances, not ***** out baby supercars.

Does Nissan's GTR put pressure on Toyota? Not really. Lexus is Toyota's "performance" brand with its is350 and its performance hybrids. Toyota's baby-supercar to challenge the likes of the GTR and the next NSX seems better suited to wearing the badge of "Lexus" than "Toyota".

It's all about image.