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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 02:32 AM
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mazda needs to turbo it!!!
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Yes they do need to put a twin turbo in it. Let face it, the RX-8 is a fun car to drive but it is WAY underpowered. Most of the fun of a sports car is in the lower end torque...which as we all know did not come standard in the 8. BTW the latest pics of the RX9 looks like the 370z. Time to test drive that Camaro...
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Yes they do need to put a twin turbo in it. Let face it, the RX-8 is a fun car to drive but it is WAY underpowered. Most of the fun of a sports car is in the lower end torque...which as we all know did not come standard in the 8. BTW the latest pics of the RX9 looks like the 370z. Time to test drive that Camaro...
Yeah, let's twin turbo the Renesis. Let's totally forget about why the 3rd gen was a mechanical nightmare! It had cooling issues and troubleshooting a vacuum leak was harder than reaching up and touching the moon. We can't forget the few reasons they didn't turbo the rx8. Cost, reliability *Adding more to an engine...more to go wrong...* and emissions. Solve that for them, and they may be able to slap the turbo on.

A turbo is not needed. You don't know what numbers the 16x is going to put out, so saying it "NEEDS" to be turbo'd because you're expectations on what power it needs is not met *of course, those expectations will never be met....it will always need to be faster.*

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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Screw twin turbo. I want quad turbos.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:22 AM
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Yeah, let's twin turbo the Renesis. Let's totally forget about why the 3rd gen was a mechanical nightmare! It had cooling issues and troubleshooting a vacuum leak was harder than reaching up and touching the moon. We can't forget the few reasons they didn't turbo the rx8. Cost, reliability *Adding more to an engine...more to go wrong...* and emissions. Solve that for them, and they may be able to slap the turbo on.

A turbo is not needed. You don't know what numbers the 16x is going to put out, so saying it "NEEDS" to be turbo'd because you're expectations on what power it needs is not met *of course, those expectations will never be met....it will always need to be faster.*

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Well, now there is a rocket scientist! Since they did a poor job on it the first time they should never do it again. How did we get from Gen 1 - Gen 3 and then the Renesis if Gen 1 was such a perfect piece of machinery? Hell, Im on my second engine in this car!! Must have been the FeAkIn TuRbO that caused it!! Do you believe it was Ford's fault not letting Mazda spending an extra $50 bucks on better apex seals? Are they using the better seals now because Ford's not around or because they are loosing their *** in warranty and customer complaints?

There are a lot of manufacturers with reliable turboed cars out there like BMW, Audii, VW, Ford (but it is still a ford), Nissan, Pontiac, etc. Why not Mazda? Oh because YOU made that business decision!

The engine is under powered on the low end. This is not speculation, it is fact. It needs some air. Mazda can build it better and should. Mazda builds a nice car, I believe they can build the next toy to compete with the valve rattlers. One last note, this was not an inexpensive car and the new 8 is over $30K. I have no doubt the next one will cost even more. If they didnt put put turbos in it for cost savings, it was to increase their margin not yours!
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:41 AM
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I think that it doesn't need turbos but i say why not have an option for the turbocharged car. Make it more expensive and try to make it more reliable unlike the 7.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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This is sad news. Close to 270 bhp from 1.6 is not good. Assuming it retains a similar, or even slightly better Torque per liter ratio, then the only way it could make less than 270 bhp is by making peak power at less than the current 8500, which most likely means a lower redline. Add to this a missing clutch pedal and you have effectively deleted two of the current rotary sports best attributes: Super high redline and near perfect six speed manual. Way to go mazda, I think these are great ideas.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Gotta have a clutch and MT. The more crap they add on the more expensive the maintenance. Keep it the way it is just increase BHP.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by renesisgenesis
This is sad news. Close to 270 bhp from 1.6 is not good. Assuming it retains a similar, or even slightly better Torque per liter ratio, then the only way it could make less than 270 bhp is by making peak power at less than the current 8500, which most likely means a lower redline. Add to this a missing clutch pedal and you have effectively deleted two of the current rotary sports best attributes: Super high redline and near perfect six speed manual. Way to go mazda, I think these are great ideas.
270 might not be as bad as you think. Who knows what the new car would weigh in at? Maybe they can make it 500lbs lighter.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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270 might not be as bad as you think. Who knows what the new car would weigh in at? Maybe they can make it 500lbs lighter.
I guarantee it will weigh equal to or more than the 8. I am willing to bet you money.

0-60 will be about 5.5-6.0. quarter mile right about 14.0

the miata is their "light" car. there's no way it will be 2500 pounds. thin about 3100-3200.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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RX-8 Replacement to be called RX-9??!!??

More info from "Inside Sources at Mazda" on the RX-8 replacement....to be called the RX-9

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/mazda-rx-...ails-revealed/


According to our source from Mazda, we found out today that the Japanese manufacturer is currently working on the next-generation of the RX-8, dubbed the RX-9.

Regarding the design of the car, few facts were confirmed: that the new vehicle will borrow the design lines from the Taiki Concept (shown in the photo and unveiled back in 2007 at the Tokyo Motor Show) and that the suicide doors found on the current version will also find their place in this new car. As you expected, the engine of the car will be a revolutionary 1.6-liter Birotor engine capable to develop around 300 hp. A debut is expected in 2012 but we might see this car earlier, our source confirmed.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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All good news, except the suicide doors part. I want a light-*** 2 seater
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:42 PM
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Aw man.. half makes me wish I had waited to get mine.. dohhh.. well.. good thing is, I'm still leasing, huzzah!
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 12:45 AM
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Is that reliable info???

So I guess they'll retain RX-8 as a 4 seater coupe, thats not bad. I wonder what they will do about a rotary 2 seater. Engine option on the next gen MX-5?
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ASH8
the new vehicle will borrow the design lines from the Taiki Concept (shown in the photo and unveiled back in 2007 at the Tokyo Motor Show) and that the suicide doors found on the current version will also find their place in this new car.[/B][/I]
Hard to imagine suicide doors on anything that looks much like the Taiki.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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Seriously, can't they just make a 2-seater already? They already have all the parts they need from the 8 and miata.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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That sounds wonderful. I really like the 8, don't want a two-seater...I can't wait until I can get a 9 used a depreciated!
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by robrecht
Hard to imagine suicide doors on anything that looks much like the Taiki.
the front will be where they draw the inspiration. i doubt the side and rear will be used.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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the front will be where they draw the inspiration. i doubt the side and rear will be used.
This may be one bitchin car. I hope we get that baleen whale looking grille!
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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the sides and rear will be used just not as dramatically. expect to see that line of the side and the pinching at the waist with the body sculpted out to the wheels instead of "outriggers"
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
the sides and rear will be used just not as dramatically. expect to see that line of the side and the pinching at the waist with the body sculpted out to the wheels instead of "outriggers"
I hope their new suicide doors don't add 200lbs to the car
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 11:18 PM
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the sides and rear will be used just not as dramatically. expect to see that line of the side and the pinching at the waist with the body sculpted out to the wheels instead of "outriggers"
MMMmmm Inspector Charlie...do YOU know something WE Don't...AyE
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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MMMmmm Inspector Charlie...do YOU know something WE Don't...AyE
Either that or he saw how that Taki influenced the Furai. I pray to all that is holy that the next RX is at least half as sexy as the Furai!
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RMXG8
mazda needs to turbo it!!!
Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
No they don't.
Originally Posted by He11bent
Yes they do need to put a twin turbo in it.
Originally Posted by RX-8GT6spd
I think that it doesn't need turbos
You guys are too funny!
Originally Posted by Renesis_8
I hope their new suicide doors don't add 200lbs to the car
+1 If they want to save weight in a 2+2 version, definitely find a way to lighten the suicide door cofiguration w/o compromising side-impact safety.

These plans are full of win though! Bravo Mazda!!!
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