i would love to have a more powerful rotary 2 door coupe out in 3 years.

It quite obvious the Only way Mazda are going to achieve their well publicised 25% FUEL Reduction Targets is to lower engine capacity in their bangers and add a turbo...gee that is a huge step into the future Mazda...not.

The Rotary, I still don't believe the 16X is ready, just a hunch.

What I strongly believe there is NO way we will see anything until Mazda are absolutely sure RENESIS 2 updates are more reliable as to date Mazda have made nothing from the RX-8 venture. Warranty claims killed that.

I also do not believe them about the 20% fuel reduction with increased capacity and DI 16X.

The RENESIS gets no better fuel economy than a 1975 13B RX-5.

How many RX-9's do you really think Mazda are going to sell after what has happened, really.

So many first gen 8 owners have been burnt and won't come back...I have seen this ALL before, it makes me F**KING Mad, the 8 should never have been released with it's flawed MOP lubrication...why because of an extra $50 and FORD.

@ASH8: Not trying to argue for arguments sake, but hasn't the way that they measure MPG changed a good amount since then? As in, they are the same numbers now, but take the engine back to their testing phases and it will show a little bit better? I mean, wasn't the highway Speed Limit 55 then?

Most likely, like many thing how they measure has changed...to clarify I was mainly talking in "Real Life", rather than what a manufacturer or "standards" tell you.
In real life with a rotary this can be hard to achieve unless you want to nurse and carbon it up...CHOKE it ;)

Yes there have been many improvement (Fuel injection) rather than carburettors, but, so has the weight been added to cars because the consumer wants more.
So any so called improvements in MPG are negated...let alone a "Fatter" population!

Leave my mom out of it! :lol:

Yeah, I measured my FC at around 12 mpg. Mainly due to being out of tune and what not, and since I'm much too young to have seen one in like-new condition....I never really thought anything but "YAYYYYY GOOD MILEAGE!" when I purchased the 8.

Look at what I came across this morning.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6669/newrx7.jpg

Nothing conclusive tho..

^ Sorry, but there isn't anything new there. That is an old artist rendering pasted on a new background. Just rumors.

Thats why I said nothing conclusive. Just bringing to ur peripheral vision something that came across mine.

It's too bad that picture has the EXACT same front on a Furai. I can't see how that whole LED thing will make it to a production car. Though it looks cool, most people will think it looks tacky.

I'm intriqued, never seen this before. I love the Furai front end...hell just give me a Furai full stop.... but it's integration with pictured 'normal' body has to be vastly improved...still w/a Furai front end...I'd forgive a lot...ah ...as long as it came with easily 270 hp ...more like more that 300 hp and lighter weight ~2800lbs vs. RX-8 and LED everything, headlights, interior, exterior :lol:

Short of fairy dust, this might be the last gasp to make the rotary competitive. If it doesn't rock the world enough to keep both the press and owners singing it's praises, it'll be the last rotary. Don't care what it takes, supercharger, NA, turbo, electric nuclear propultion assist, Mazda's possible next Rotary eXperiemtal better be epic and historical...or it'll be history in no time. Nothing like a sequel less satisfing that the original to kill a wet dream.

Go buy Audi TTs you guys and give it up

like that there keeping the rotary alive but 270hp Mazda needs to bump that up a bit

well the 8 was supposed to have 250 and ended up with 220 - so this next one should have about 240 LOL

Here we go, already whining about 270HP in a Maybe new rotary...RG was correct, there will never be enough to satisfy this STUPID Demand for increased HP All the time, year after MY...it is BS.

So, does anyone EVER think of PW (Power To Weight) Ratio's?????

What would you rather have a 270 HP Rotary in a 2600 lb car...

Or a 300 HP Rotary in a 3000 lb car?

I'll take 270hp in 2600 lb. But to get 270hp, Mazda needs to announced 300hp first, then give us credit as it revised the figure down to 270hp later. :lol2:

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw people talking about needing to increase the HP...*sigh*

2600/270=9.6lbs/hp 3000/300=10lbs/hp of course one would want the former.

Acceptable new rotary would be:

Horsepower 265 hp Torque 221 lb.-ft. Weight: 2830lbs P/W 10.7lbs/hp

Superior new rotary would be:

Horsepower 300 hp Torque 253lb.-ft. Weight: 2830lbs P/W 9.4lbs/hp

This is not wining. I'm sure Mazda already knows what will be needed to be successful in the marketplace, that is, to have a car that will sell in quantity (unlike the RX-8). Mazda's street cred is pretty much only built on performance per $, full stop.

that would work especially if it has the rx8's handling or better

ash, you and i need the young ones who want more power inorder to get Mazda to make the next 7 or 8. we all need each other. they cant make one and make a profit with out all of us.

You realize those torque figures are a pipedream for a N/A Wankel, right?

16X, if unblown, will make only a tad more torque than 13b. If it comes in at 3000 pounds or over, the competition will stomp all over it (once again) in the HP war. Turbocharging is a must.

you nailed it .

No way can you double the torque on an NA 8 just by increasing the capacity 20% - just aint going to happen . They have however increased the crank offset which should improve torque more than 20% .
This should see the 16x rev a little slower and possibly make it a good candidate for a supercharger . Something Mazda may be more inclined to do given the increased difficulty for the aftermarket to raise the the boost above stock. Which is a lot of the reason the batman got a bad rep for blowing motors ....

In case you guys didn't recognize some of those numbers they come from here http://www.porsche.com/all/comparemo...987120&model3= for the "acceptable" model (base model on the chart), for the dumbed "superior" version I dumbed down the "S" model a bit. I consider these the benchmark for the "perfect" sports car.

Meanwhile, if the 2830lb weight can actually be achieved (3050-220lbs) as Mazda has said it will do, the car will be over 100lbs lighter than those, so the resulting P/W should be near perfect :)

no sense in starting a new thread best picture I have found so far

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qmwdM_8Ln-...0-h/113227.jpg

Actually I'd rather have a 230 hp 2500 pound rotary car, but I'm not a very big market. Most people just like big numbers, whether it makes sense or not. The majority of the sports car market consists of posers that'll maybe go full throttle a few times in their ownership of the car.