Quality of BP gas?
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
I don't know why people get fooled into comparing name brands of gasoline, and saying one is better. Their advertisement has apparently fooled you, and many others. It makes no sense to me. The only difference in gas for the most part is how old it is. If you pull into a gas station that is busy all the time, and sells a lot of fuel, you're getting the same crap, whether it's Shell, BP, Exxon, or a name you never heard of. All you have to do is avoid gas stations that are small and remote, because odds are the fuel is old.
If you like gas from CheapGasRUs gas station because "they are selling their gas quick therefore the gas should be better" then be my guest
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Originally Posted by Swagman
All the majors are OK - some petroleum engineers claims that Shell V-Power is the best. Whatever!
I've been watching this thread for about three days and am amazed nobody has piped in to let you guys know that all gas is the same within the same region. It all comes from the same pipeline. Shell, BP, whoever, refines the stuff and loads it into the pipeline. The fuel runs from point A to point B and then the same or a different company may unload the fuel. After unloading this company will add their own additive package and name it Techron or whatever. The only difference between brands is their additives. And many brands use the same additives since they buy them from the same supplier.
Believe it or not the different octane grades even come from the same pipeline. I bet you can't figure that one out. :D
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Originally Posted by babylou
Petroleum engineers don't know jack squat about gasoline. Petroleum engineers only know about getting crude oil out of the ground.
I've been watching this thread for about three days and am amazed nobody has piped in to let you guys know that all gas is the same within the same region. It all comes from the same pipeline. Shell, BP, whoever, refines the stuff and loads it into the pipeline. The fuel runs from point A to point B and then the same or a different company may unload the fuel. After unloading this company will add their own additive package and name it Techron or whatever. The only difference between brands is their additives. And many brands use the same additives since they buy them from the same supplier.
Believe it or not the different octane grades even come from the same pipeline. I bet you can't figure that one out. :D
I've been watching this thread for about three days and am amazed nobody has piped in to let you guys know that all gas is the same within the same region. It all comes from the same pipeline. Shell, BP, whoever, refines the stuff and loads it into the pipeline. The fuel runs from point A to point B and then the same or a different company may unload the fuel. After unloading this company will add their own additive package and name it Techron or whatever. The only difference between brands is their additives. And many brands use the same additives since they buy them from the same supplier.
Believe it or not the different octane grades even come from the same pipeline. I bet you can't figure that one out. :D
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Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
NMO, see if you can apply for a Citi Dividend credit card, I have one, and it gives me 5% rebate on gasoline, AND groceries, AND pharmacy!!
everything else is the standard 1% back of course :p :o
everything else is the standard 1% back of course :p :o
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Originally Posted by wedge357
Wrong for two small details. First, Chevron have their own distribution system and is not tied in with the National Gas Pipeline System. Second, it is crude oil that they all share together in the national pipeline and not refined gasoline. It's like a bank. Each oil company "deposits" crude oil at whatever port they get the tankers in, then "withdraws" it where they have their refineries. After the refineries the gasoline gets shipped via railcars or your familiar oil trucks. This means each oil company can and will have different quality gasoline when you get them at the pump. And yes, 89octane is a mix between premium and regular grades.
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Originally Posted by babylou
You wanna bet? I dare you to google "gasoline pipeline"
I like to stick with the a major brand from a station that does a lot of business. Most of the time I use Hess premium because it's right on the way during my 3 mile commute to work.
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
You can argue your unproven that al;l gaslines are not same and I can argue theat they car, but no one could ever possibly prove it. The only thing I know is that I never notice a damn bit of difference no matter what brand of gasoline I buy, and that includes the what you call CHEAPGASRUS places. In fact, sometimes the cheap no name gas makes the car run better the name brand. Can you explain that for me?
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Originally Posted by LIShinka
Viking, how do you never notice a difference no matter what brand, yet sometime the cheap no name gas makes the car run better? :D
Crap I was editing my post and deleted it somehow, Anyway, my point to all this was that it's whatever you want to be the best gas, will be the best gas. It's all subjective, and pretty much meaningless. Fact is I don't notice any difference really, unless I force myself to think one is better because I want it to be, and to justify why I paid more for it. My car simply runs great no matter what gas I put in it. Sometimes you get bad gas, and it did happen twice to me, and car did run badly. The two times it happened, was at an Exxon and a Amoco.
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First, Chevron have their own distribution system and is not tied in with the National Gas Pipeline System. Second, it is crude oil that they all share together in the national pipeline and not refined gasoline
2> If they shared just crude oil in this National Gas Pipline System then it wouldn't be called the National GAS Pipeline System, since the two things are completely different items. Such a huge misnomer wouldn't continue. And that's precisely where there really isn't a National Gas Pipeline System, it's simply the "National Pipeline System" as it makes up the pipelines of a large number of commodities. Also a pipeline isn't a "Crude Oil Pipeline" or a "Gasoline Pipeline" or a "Diesel Pipeline" -- any petroleum product pipeline can handle any or all of those products interchangeably or even simultaneously.
3> The pipeline system is used equally for both crude oil and refined products. Actually, if you want to get technical, it's slightly biased towards crude oil because the process of creating refined products isn't 100% efficient so you get slightly less out than you get in. And a small percentage of refined items are shipped from the refinery via other means, but it's a tiny percentage -- less than a couple percent. But that's nit-picking. The point is that the system is most definitely NOT for just crude oil, over 40% of pipeline capacity in the US is used for refined products, largely gasoline.
Sorry buddy, but depending on where you live, you are actually significantly more likely to be pumping Sinclair-refined gasoline or Sunoco-refined into your car at a Chevron station as you are Chevron-refined gas. Of course if you live near a Chevron refinery you're more likely to be getting Chevron-refined gas both at a Chevron and at the local Wal-Mart Supercenter. Tthere is a difference between gasolines though -- in the additives that each particular manufacturer may or may not add when the product is in their storage tanks. But there's no telling whose actual gasoline you're getting when you're at the pump.
After the refineries the gasoline gets shipped via railcars or your familiar oil trucks. This means each oil company can and will have different quality gasoline when you get them at the pump. And yes, 89octane is a mix between premium and regular grades.
Go to a refinery and see just how few (in a relative sense) rail-cars and trucks there are going out. Most of the rail-cars going out are full of other chemical byproducts that aren't economical to pipeline due to the quantities and the trucks that depart are going to the very nearby area.
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Sorry for the off topic here, but at least you all dont have to deal with the BS in Colorado where you can mostly only get gas at 85, 87, 91 octane, but still pay 87, 89 and 93 prices for it. Most of the places you can get 93 are small stations that are not brandname!
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Originally Posted by Sigma
1> Sorry buddy, but depending on where you live, you are actually significantly more likely to be pumping Sinclair-refined gasoline or Sunoco-refined into your car at a Chevron station as you are Chevron-refined gas. Of course if you live near a Chevron refinery you're more likely to be getting Chevron-refined gas both at a Chevron and at the local Wal-Mart Supercenter. Tthere is a difference between gasolines though -- in the additives that each particular manufacturer may or may not add when the product is in their storage tanks. But there's no telling whose actual gasoline you're getting when you're at the pump.
Last edited by VikingDJ; 08-27-2005 at 09:26 AM.
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While everyone is touting the advantages of Big name vs. Small name gas, or how everything is the exact same, I'll just chip in my 2¢ and say that's not always accurate.
Here in MN, we have a law that stations within the city limits have to contain ethonal in order to reduce emisisons.
Every station in the metro area contains this 10% blend, and it sucks for your car.
However, there are a few, smaller, independant stations that fill out the paperwork in order to serve non-oxy gas. No ethonal. You might want to check the stations in your area to find out what's what before saying that everyone is the same, or that small stations will always have worse gas.
The state lists the nonoxy stations, so I know they're legit. I also notice a high percentage of high performance cars pulling into these stations to fill up. Makes at least 2 to 5 MPG difference in every car I've ever owned.
Here in MN, we have a law that stations within the city limits have to contain ethonal in order to reduce emisisons.
Every station in the metro area contains this 10% blend, and it sucks for your car.
However, there are a few, smaller, independant stations that fill out the paperwork in order to serve non-oxy gas. No ethonal. You might want to check the stations in your area to find out what's what before saying that everyone is the same, or that small stations will always have worse gas.
The state lists the nonoxy stations, so I know they're legit. I also notice a high percentage of high performance cars pulling into these stations to fill up. Makes at least 2 to 5 MPG difference in every car I've ever owned.
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I stick to shell and bp out of personal experience. I used to fill up my old camery at the cheapest station I could find... usually Extra or something. I noticed my car stalled sometimes and had problem starting, I couldnt figure out why until someone suggested to me it could be the gas. I switched to shell gas and the problems never happened again. I firmly believe that Shell has better refinery technology and better quality control, so Im sticking with it whenever I can.
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