Dinhx8

quit apologizing to me. congrats on your car. You posted asking what people thought, and I responded. I said i think its silly. "sorry thats bugging you"

Dont praise its offroad capabilites then mention that you're dropping the car. That is silly. I dont think you said that, but Dragula did.

Im glad you are rich enough to be able to afford it. But just cause you have money doesn't always make you wise.

shaolin

I'm not apologizing for anything I just find it strange and appalling that someone would suspect that the Cayenne is not a real "Porsche." Porsche is one of the few independent automakers left...they need to stay afloat, and well honestly sportscars don't pay the bills. Porsche has been talking about making a larger passenger vehicle since the 70's.

The Cayenne is actually called the Porsche 955. It is inspired by you guessed it, the Paris Dakkar champ the 959.



Couple Porsche's ambitions of making a larger passenger vehicle since the late 70's, and their flare for offroad and the Cayenne is what happened. But I guess it's "suspect that it's not really a Porsche."

I'd let you drive the car if you were local. You'd see why it wears a Porsche Crest on it's hood. But hey...your opinion is yours... I just wanted to point out Porsche's intentions behind the Cayenne.

Dinhx8

lol. Im aware that its a Porsche. Remember wilson phillips? there were 2 hot ones and one fat one. They were all phillips, but we all know who the real hot noes were.

shaolin

BTW people put H&R springs on boxsters and 911's all the time...they're a german made spring like eibach but less harsh of a ride...

I'm just wondering why that would make it "suspect?" I'm not arguing with you just asking...

Dinhx8

Like I said in my first post, i wish you luck and its your ride. Im in the middle. Im not some closed minded person who can't appreciate a good SUV. I just am never in favor of modding and taking away the integrity of the car. I.e., I like modding, but mainly prefer functinoal ones that keep the spirit of the original car intact.

I'm not sure 22 inch wheels and a drop help the car, more than just change its looks. But that's your call. YOu've done the research.

shaolin

Oh I see what you're getting at here. Well as for the 22's they're actually very close to stock weight. They're made specifically for Porsche by Victor Equipment. The drop obviously improves handling but offroad use would be suspect, but as I said I don't go offroad. With the newer rubber the car sticks to the road quite well.

I will be holding onto the stock 20's and putting snow tires on them for winters in the mountains and weekend snowboarding.

I am beginning to wish I had opted for air suspension though...

Dinhx8

Well, thats kind of my point- people put those springs on Boxters and 911s.....cause they are sports cars.
You have a Cayenne. A great sporty SUV ...don't kill the utility side if thats what your life calls for

shaolin

I had the same concern...after talking with the guys at rennlist they say that the springs only make the gap on the wheels less horrendous. They say ride quality does not suffer...I mean we're only talking a one inch drop.

Valid concerns nonetheless....

Dinhx8

well thats good. its good you have your 20s as well-

DrDiaboloco

60 years, huh? I presume you're referring to the 911 (since the post you're answering does), and I'm here to tell ya they ain't been makin' no 911 for 60 years.

DrDiaboloco

This suspicion is nothing new. People (primarily Porsche purists) have decried the very idea of a Porsche SUV ever since it was first hinted at, never mind what they think now that it's actually available in a showroom. Many still do... And find the idea of a Porsche SUV "appalling".

Dude... I was mostly with ya until THIS comment. It's not "actually" called a 955 any more than the current 911 is "actually" called a 997 or prior models are "actually" called 996's or 993's or whatever... internal designations that Porschephiles use to delineate one series from another aren't the quote-unquote "real" name of the vehicle. They are 911's, and the Cayenne is a Cayenne. It doesn't say "955" on the rump, now does it?

I also think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was TRULY inspired by the 959. It was inspired by Porsche's desire to make more money and reel in their existing customers who were buying BMW, Range Rover and M-B SUV's. A brilliant marketing maneuver, I must admit, as the Cayenne has made them a boatload of money and they are keeping uncounted numbers of customers in-house. The 4-door that they may or may not end up selling will simply do more of the same (and probably be decried by the Porsche purists as well).

I'm not slamming your vehicle, shaolin (though I wouldn't buy one even if I had the means to), I just think you're getting a little overzealous in your defense of the Cayenne.

shaolin

Well, I'm just telling you what I read on the rennlist forums...alot of guys have actually put 955 emblems on their trunk lids.

The Cayenne brouchure talks up the 959 so that's where I got that from but maybe it's just as you say "overzealous" marketing then. Oh well...if I had it my way I would be in a 911, but we all have to compromise right?

limepro

shaolin where u from?

shaolin

I'm live in Las Vegas...why?

DrDiaboloco

Yep. That's why I have an RX-8 and not an RX-7.

dragula53

courtesy of: http://www.4wdonline.com/Porsche/History.html

1948, June 8: First Porsche car (#356-001) registered in Gmund Austria; it --> had a 1086cc 30kW VW engine.


That sounds like 58 years to me.

I hope I am forgiven for overestimating the amount of years that porsche has been making "cars"

BlueEyes

No, and you're not forgiven for not knowing the difference between a 911 and 356 is either.

dragula53

here are some pictures of some gmunds.

http://vista.pca.org/stl/gmund.htm

looks like.. a porsche.

oh wait, I love this quote: "48 years ago, in Gmünd, Austria, the very first Porsche sports car was hand built."

I never said 911. Porsche has stayed with something resembling that design for... 58 years.

BlueEyes

It may, but it's a volkswagen. ha. You were clearly referring to the 911 in your post, and that is not a 911. The first 911s were produced in '64 I think.

dragula53

anyway, whatever. my point was that comments about it not being a "real" porsche are stupid.

limepro

your neighborhood looks like the 1's in fresno built by our competitors

DrDiaboloco

Well, THIS is what you DID say:

They don't make the 356 anymore, and haven't for over 40 years. The 911 was the REPLACEMENT for the 356... Unless you want to split hairs and say that the 912 was the TRUE replacement for the 356, with which it shared an engine (if memory serves). I'm not really trying to start an argument, I figured you meant the 911 since the post you responded to (and you quoted) mentioned the 911. Perhaps I worded it in a more confrontational manner than was really intended.

Aside from drivetrain bits and configuration, the cars were essentially unrelated... The 356 was basically a hot-rodded Beetle, and the 901/911/912, whatever you want to call it, were dedicated designs. Which was my point, that they haven't been making A car that has been their hallmark for 60 years, or 58 years. I think THE iconic Porsche is the 911, which has had a truly amazing 42-year run. I believe this makes it the longest-running "constant" in the car business that is CURRENTLY produced, now that even the Beetle is no longer made anywhere in the world.

Naturally, someone will point out that I am wrong about that last statement. Maybe the Morgan? Not the crosseyed Aero8, of course, but I guess one could argue that variations of the Morgan 4/4, introduced in the mid-30's, are still produced.

*sigh* Maybe someday I'll have one... I'd love a mid-90's 993-series model 911. I've got a decent amount of wheel time in 80's-era 911's, but that doesn't match the satisfaction of seeing one in your garage.

dragula53

It is still splitting hairs, when the point of the post was about how calling the cayenne "not a porsche" is unfair and silly.

DrDiaboloco

The only hair-splitting I see is whether or not the 911 or the 912 was the true replacement for the 356. You might as well try to convince me that the Ford Taurus was in production since the 60's, since it was the replacement for the Ford LTD.

dragula53

uhh.. exactly? the fact that porsche has made a car that has the same basic styling cues for 58 years (or hell, call it 42 years if you insist that the 356 isn't similar enough for your liking) that doesn't really have any bearing on whether the cayenne is a real porsche or a good SUV.